[UI] Re: MenuMorph hand weirdness

[Gary Chambers]

Will try that as a (feel) start...
As for other efforts, I'm game for it...
Just the (maybe last) uncharted territory in themeability...

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This was a question to gauge the importance of having menus themed as
standard, in the general IDE sense... more of fixing what we have rather
than the new big thing.

In terms of "the new big thing" I think we have to become very much more
focussed. That means really working together. Perhaps everyone could make a
prototype system to demonstrate to us all... then work together with the
best bits?

As a start, we should be able to easily conform to any particular "look and
feel"... take the Java abstraction classes as an example. We could also
incorporate "native" (Win32/GTK) as part of the framework (different to the
"emulated" Java). I'd really like anything we do to be non-exclusive and
all-encompassing, both potentially attainable goals.

Might sound a bit "bloaty" but a framework that can plug-and-play our
concepts would be nice...

I think it comes down to the way(s) you want to be able to describe a
user-interface. Need to be able to express the intention of the ui in a
flexible manner but, also, for some applications, have exact control (plus a
lot of in-betweens). ToolBuilder does a lot of that, but is not yet rich
enough to do the latter...

There is no easy answer, however... yet. All speculation welcomed!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Matthew
> Fulmer
> Sent: 19 November 2007 8:38 PM
> To: ui at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: [UI] Re: MenuMorph hand weirdness
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2007 at 02:17:47PM -0500, Bill Schwab wrote:
> > Gary,
> >
> > Obviously, it is your call.  I will admit that Squeak's menus could use
> > a face lift, but I am much more concerned about Morphic/hand weirdness
> > (feel) than the appearance (which has improved over time).  So, if they
> > look and work better, I won't complain.  If you decide that there are
> > more important battles to fight with the required effort, so be it.
>
> I fixed the Menu hand weirdness in
> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=6687
>
> Load MenuMorph-BetterMouseHandling.2.cs. I don't know if this
> should go in UI enhancements or base Morphic. I use this change
> set in all my images (and can't live without it anymore). I
> haven't tried to push it other than by announcing it here (on the
> UI list) once before.
>
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