[UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there

Gary Chambers gazzaguru2 at btinternet.com
Mon Oct 1 14:08:51 UTC 2007 

Is that with or without the UI Enhancements loaded? I put a lot of effort
into fixing the corner grip positions and using absolute coordinates, rather
than deltas, so that the mouse cursor changes appropriately when resizing
below the minimumExtent of a window (mouse no longer within the grip upon
mouse release).

What does "rescue the old bits" mean?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org 
> [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of 
> Klaus D. Witzel
> Sent: 01 October 2007 1:07 pm
> To: ui at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> Subject: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> 
> 
> The corner handles are inconvenient also when I do #renderOn: 
> a SVG+xhtml  
> canvas. Sometimes they seem to be one off (hard to 
> predict/reproduce) and  
> the implementation (rescue the old bits...) is/does, hrm, 
> does not give  
> you a good time when *not* rendering on a graphics card.
> 
> I have no suggestion for what/how to do better with them, 
> just my CHF 0.05.
> 
> On Mon, 01 Oct 2007 12:26:33 +0200, Gary Chambers wrote:
> 
> > I could make the title button order available as a 
> preference... For 
> > now you'd need to subclass the UIThemeSoftSqueak and override
> > #configureWindowLabelAreaFor: with the version for Vistary. 
> Your new 
> > theme subclass will appear in the preferences (you should also 
> > override #themeName on the class side).
> >
> > As for the legibility of button text with Vistary, I find 
> it alright 
> > when using a FreeType font...
> >
> > As for corner handles, they were a bugger to fix to work 
> properly! I'd 
> > prefer the old border/side behaviour with no handles as 
> such. I could
> > make
> > this an option if there's sufficient interest.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> >> [mailto:ui-bounces at lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill 
> >> Schwab
> >> Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm
> >> To: ui at lists.squeakfoundation.org
> >> Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
> >>
> >>
> >> I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner 
> handles. 
> >> They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them 
> actually), but 
> >> if they go away, I won't scream about it.  Now that you 
> mention it, 
> >> you're right, they are ugly ;)
> >>
> >> Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak 
> theme leaves 
> >> the [x] button on the left of the title bar.  I _think_ I 
> would move 
> >> it to he right.  That said, I gladly defer to you 
> judgement.  BTW, I 
> >> continue to be impressed with your work.  For reasons unknown, I 
> >> switched back to the Vistary theme and noted that you 
> obviously can 
> >> move the close button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess 
> >> with the locations.
> >> I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons
> >> difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the
> >> point, its location.  Of course, that is largely a result of
> >> what you set out to emulate.  I can envision writing a hybrid
> >> theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but 
> that can wait.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> >> University of Florida
> >> Department of Anesthesiology
> >> PO Box 100254
> >> Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >>
> >> Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
> >> Tel: (352) 846-1285
> >> FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >>
> >> >>> asqueaker at gmail.com 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>>
> >> Looks real good Bill!  I especially like highlighting the items in 
> >> Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a big 
> improvement 
> >> over the red-on-gray list selections of past.
> >>
> >> Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles?  Aren't they ugly? 
> >> Not to mention redundant with the changing of the mouse-pointer.  
> >> I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep out of their bounds 
> >> under certain circumstances like too small a window-title font, or 
> >> maybe square window corners too..
> >>
> >>
> >> On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <BSchwab at anest.ufl.edu> wrote:
> >> > This should do it:
> >> >
> >> >  http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D.
> >> > University of Florida
> >> > Department of Anesthesiology
> >> > PO Box 100254
> >> > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
> >> >
> >> > Email: bschwab at anest.ufl.edu
> >> > Tel: (352) 846-1285
> >> > FAX: (352) 392-7029
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>>
> >> > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation 
> problems I 
> >> > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to 
> the UI swiki
> >> page,
> >> > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using 
> >> > Monitcello.  Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the
> >> new image.  I
> >> > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter,
> >> capturing a change
> >> > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less
> >> the visual
> >> > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot
> >> before I had
> >> > time to break it :)
> >> >
> >> > I will probably send it to Gary as a start.  What is the
> >> proper way to
> >> > make it available?  I suppose the easiest thing is to put
> >> it on my web
> >> > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely 
> >> > access
> >> our
> >> > servers, so I can't do that right now.
> >> >
> >> > When it becomes available, you will notice the background
> >> color of the
> >> > browser's and debugger's code pane.  I would hope for the
> >> debugger's
> >> > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they
> >> currently show it
> >> > only for the top line.  Ironically, the workspace in the
> >> image is not
> >> > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has 
> the correct 
> >> > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows 
> the color
> >> only
> >> > to a point, after which the default white takes over.
> >> >
> >> > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that
> >> similar changes
> >> > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me.
> >> >
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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