On 2006 April 24 06:49, Elod Kironsky wrote:
Hi!
I really agree with Stef and don't think a new mailing-list will do harm to anybody. It is absolutely true, that some advanced topics on squeak-dev may be very frustrating to squeak newbies and scare them away from writing to the conference. If there will be no posts to the new list, then it can be deleted anyway, so what is the problem? If someone thinks this behavior of Stefs is autocratic, then well, let the newbies decide. Anyone, who feels to be a newbie and is reading this mail, please write to this list and place a vote wheter you would like a squeak-newbie list or not.
+1 - If such list is created I will subscribe to it. And if many on squeak-dev subscribe, I do not think it would cause a schism/split :)
Milan
You can count me in of course ;-)
Elod
Hi guys
You know what? I found you really conservative and sitting on your knowledge. Do you really want to stay in your private club, be dandy, do not invite anybody to learn and grow? Because you think that people are not afraid of our discussions? Really?
May be this starter mailing-list will fail but I will have dare to try instead of staying with your certainty about life and facts.
My GOAL IS NOT TO SPLIT SQUEAK_DEV. My goal is to give a chance to people that are afraid or do not want to receive sometimes 50 emails per day to communicate with us. These are years that because of technological aspects we did not create such a list.
Here is what ralph told me, so either we do it publicly via squeakfondation as a normal and public list as the fact that we acknowledge that newcomers are ***welcome*** in our cool community, or I create a mailing in an obscure mail server and I will advertize it. I let you decide. But I will do it (you know me and I will fail and take the responsibility of this failure if it fails but at least I could be looking at this scar and be proud of it).
Just make a list and then advertise it. In fact, you might make several lists, for different languages.
As long as I've been on the Squeak list, people have argued against splitting the list. However, if Squeak is to grow, the list must split. When a list gets large, people don't want to post. When the people who post are experts, beginners get shy. If you want to grow the community, the lists must split.
Fortunately, you don't need to take a vote. Just create a list and advertise it, and the people who want to join will join, and the others won't.
-Ralph
Stef