squeakland January 2004

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Re: Squeakland Forum?
by Phil Firsenbaum 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

I heartily agree with François regarding the need for a good interactive forum to support those of us who are still learning our way around Squeak eToys and constantly encounter new challenge. François mentioned phpBB, which I learned is open source and free...2 attractive features. I found vBulletin, which looks to be widely used. For those interested, take a look at vBulletin's forum site http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ Finally, what will it take to get a forum started? Phil On Jan 27, 2004, at 3:00 PM, squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org wrote: > Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 3 questions : trailStyle, falling balls pictures, forums > ? (francois schnell) > > > > From: francois schnell <francois.schnell(a)free.fr> > Date: January 26, 2004 5:36:13 PM EST > To: Michael Rueger <michael(a)squeakland.org>, squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: [Squeakland] Re: 3 questions : trailStyle, falling balls > pictures, forums ? > > > Bonjour, > > * Thank you for the full set of pictures ! > > * Concerning good programming community sites I used mainly 2 sites > for VB and Flash programming in French ... ;-) > (http://www.flashxpress.net/ and http://www.codes-sources.com/). They > are not very good sites but they have very active ... Forums ... > > They were priceless to me when I decided 2 years ago to learn (Flash / > Action Script) .I wanted to design and program scientific simulations > for kids which are running in the Planetarium I worked for. > I would say I learned Flash : 20 % books, 80 % forums. > Each time I was really stuck I searched in the Forums and very often > somone else had the same question. > There are many advantages to have a forum : > - Different themes (maybe newbies to squeak, teachers projects, E-tyos > programming, Squeak programming,...) - It's good for newbies who often > hesitate to ask "stupid" questions in a mailing list. > - You've got a good visisibility of "hot subjects" or somone lost > without an answer. > - etc. > > I like to imagine a "big impact community site"as an emergent system > like an anthill for example. > A anthill is very organised and efficient (nursery, cimetery, etc.) > but there are no individual architect or lead programmer. > It organise and strenghten itselft thanks to the quality of the > "communication" beetwen ants (the pheromons) and if the critical mass > is reached (I believe a few thousands for an Anthill). > > Even if I'm still quite a newbie to Squeak (not for long hopefully), > the more I look at it and the more I see an *Astronomical* multiple > potential in it. > > I think Alan Kay and all the fellows squeak and squeakland teams have > done a tremendous job. > There are exotic fruits and succelent juicy food there I never saw > eleswhere, nevertheless to reach "the critical mass" we need the > best pheromones and I think a real Forum is a part of it. > > > PS : I actually never installed a forum . Maybe something like phpBB > could be good (and you can skin it with the Squeak feel and look). > I'm ready to investigate ... > > PS : If Forum there is, I solely here promess to help squeakers on > it. :-) > > > François Schnell > Strasbourg > France > http://francois.schnell.free.fr/ > > > Michael Rueger wrote: > >> francois schnell wrote: >> >>> -Project 10 « Falling balls » looks really good, unfortunatelly I >>> don't have a camcorder. Would it be possible to have the pictures of >>> the falling ball to do the project 10. I promess I 'll buy a >>> camcorder « soon » to do the « real » experiment ... >> >> >> The pictures are now available at >> http:www.squeakland.org/~michael/ball-drop.zip >> >> >>> * Is there a way to search in the archive of the mailinglist ? >> >> >> Unfortunately not. Although a general google search should cover most >> of it too. >> >>> Do you plan to open Forums in the future ? I'm convincing their're >>> important to initiate a wide community learning from each others >>> questions and experiences. >> >> >> The mailing list is intended to be the forum to communicate. >> We are thinking about other forms of communication, do you (or >> otheres on this list) have examples of good, working community sites? >> >> Cheers >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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[Squeakland] 3 questions : trailStyle, falling balls pictures, forums ?
by francois schnell 26 Jan '04

26 Jan '04

Dear Squeakers, * I have two questions concerning the book « Powerfull ideas in the classroom » : - Project 8 page 46 : I don't have « the trailStyle » tile in the « pen use » category of my car. Do you have any ideas how to bring it up or produce dots for my moving car ? I'm running Squeak 3.6- 5424 -Project 10 « Falling balls » looks really good, unfortunatelly I don't have a camcorder. Would it be possible to have the pictures of the falling ball to do the project 10. I promess I 'll buy a camcorder « soon » to do the « real » experiment ... * Is there a way to search in the archive of the mailinglist ? Do you plan to open Forums in the future ? I'm convincing their're important to initiate a wide community learning from each others questions and experiences. Thank's in advance :-) François Schnell France http://francois.schnell.free.fr/

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Fwd: Re: [Squeakland] 3 questions : trailStyle, falling balls pictures, forums ?
by Kim Rose 24 Jan '04

24 Jan '04

>Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:51:49 -0800 >To: francois schnell <francois.schnell(a)free.fr> >From: Kim Rose <kim.rose(a)squeakland.org> >Subject: Re: [Squeakland] 3 questions : >trailStyle, falling balls pictures, forums ? >Cc: BJ Conn >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >Dear Francios, > >Bonjour! And thank your for your interest in using Squeak! > >If you have the latest version of the >"Squeakland " image -- the one from >squeakland.org, not Squeak.org (which it looks >like you have) you can go to the 'pen use' >category in the viewer and select "trail style" >there...and from there you have a choice of >lines, dots or arrowheads. You're best off >using the Squeak Download from squeakland.org to >be certain the user interface of the Etoy system >matches the book. > >I can see about putting the "frames" of the >fallling balls from the book somewhere on the >Squeakland website. If I can ask your patience >for a few days, we can get that artwork from the >book and see about an appropriate place to >upload it so you (and others) might be able to >retrieve it. I must say, it is a *really >valuable* experience to do this with students, >however, so if you do use "our" frames I highly >suggest you still conduct the experiment >yourself without shooting it on video. > >You can find an archive of the Squeakland >mailing list through the "Community" section >(select the "join this community link) of the >website: >http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >and then select "archives". > >We are just starting to plan a "SqueakFest" to >be held in early August, probably, and in >Chicago. It would be fantastic if you could >travel. We did this last year and it was a >great success. > >I hope this helps and we will be sending more info along soon. >a bientot, >Kim > > > > > > >>Dear Squeakers, >> >>* I have two questions concerning the book « >>Powerfull ideas in the classroom » : >>- Project 8 page 46 : I don't have « the >>trailStyle » tile in the « pen use » category >>of my car. Do you have any ideas how to bring >>it up or produce dots for my moving car ? >>I'm running Squeak 3.6- 5424 >>-Project 10 « Falling balls » looks really >>good, unfortunatelly I don't have a camcorder. >>Would it be possible to have the pictures of >>the falling ball to do the project 10. I >>promess I 'll buy a camcorder « soon » to do >>the « real » experiment ... >> >>* Is there a way to search in the archive of the mailinglist ? >>Do you plan to open Forums in the future ? I'm >>convincing their're important to initiate a >>wide community learning from each others >>questions and experiences. >> >>Thank's in advance :-) >>François Schnell >>France >>http://francois.schnell.free.fr/ >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Squeakland mailing list >>Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >>http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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How to "manual"
by Phil Firsenbaum 23 Jan '04

23 Jan '04

> If it hasn't been said enough let me add my kudos to Kim and B.J. for > their publication, Powerful Ideas in the Classroom. I've personally > used it and find it very helpful...it's what we in the Squeakland > community needed! > > With that said, I'm thinking that there's still a need for a more > comprehensive eToy reference, something that attempts to cover it all. > So, here's what I'm thinking. Let's collaborate. I've figured out how > to "do" any number of things in the eToy environment, some with help > from others, some by exploring on my own. I'm sure that's true of > others as well. If everyone (wishful thinking, I know) would > contribute an idea or two we could create a very useful compendium of > how to's. In fact, I'm so eager to see this venture become a reality > that I'm willing to collate the material. I've even started to create > the document (see attachment), subject to everyone's review and > revisions, of course. > Again, this is not something I'm volunteering to create. If it happens > it will be the result of a collaboration on the part of the Squeak > eToy community, e.g., those of working with kids, not SmallTalk > programmers. > > Phil

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RE: [Squeakland] Squeaker News.... Squeak in Spain!
by Mankovsky, Sheine 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

I have just had a look at the information on the Spain project, Kim. HUGE congratulations to all the people who contributed to this landmark undertaking! I can't think of a more significant combination for kids than Linux, laptops and learning with Squeak. Sheine Mankovsky Trustee, Ward 5 Toronto District School Board "The very essence of the creative is its novelty, hence we have no standard by which to judge it." -Carl R. Rogers > -----Original Message----- > From: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org > [SMTP:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Kim Rose > Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 3:13 PM > To: squeakland.org mailing list > Subject: [Squeakland] Squeaker News.... Squeak in Spain! > > Dear Squeaklanders, > > Take a look at the latest "Squeaker News" to learn about an > "EXciting" Squeak project in Spain! > > http://www.squeakland.org/images/news/news.htm > > cheers, > Kim > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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RE: [Squeakland] Some more eToy questions
by Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

-----Message d'origine----- De: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org A: squeakland(a)squeakland.org Date: 21.01.04 08:38 Objet: [Squeakland] Some more eToy questions Squeakland developers, Here are a few more eToy questions: How can one make a mirror image of a polygon (or other graphical morph: ellipse, star, etc.)? Use the world menu new morph then grab rectangle from screen. go to the left upper corner of your morph click swow the lower right corner. click. You get a new morph sketch with the picture of your old morph, just the picture, it is no more a star or a polygon, but a sketch looking like the old morph. Now get the halo of this sketch and use the red halo for the menu. Use the sub menu painting at the bottom. And get 'set rotation style' check either 'left-right' or top-down flip. Either set the heading to -90 (case of left-right) or 180 (case of top-downt) and your morph will flip and be the mirror. If you want it to be another morph , just use new morph to grab it again as new morph. Best regards

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Some more eToy questions
by Inglang 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

Squeakland developers, Here are a few more eToy questions: How can one make a mirror image of a polygon (or other graphical morph: ellipse, star, etc.)? Can one use tiles to position polygon-handles, curve-handles (yellow circles when handles turned on)? Can one automatically create an script that matches the dimensions/position/color of the ellipse (star, polygon, etc.) morph as one created it with the halo handles? Can one create a new instance of an ellipse (star, polygon, etc.) morph with a tile script? Can one separate embedded morphs (un-embed) by halo menus or tiles? Can one control the layer depth of how morphs are layered one over the other by numeric tile script? No target-spacer provided when dragging a "test tile" between tests. "No condition" spacing in test tile doesn't shrink after condition drag and drop placed in the condition and then remove. I suggest leaving an object label as the hand morph costume, when hand hovers while gripping the object over the trash can. Cheers, Darius

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RE: [Squeakland] Squeaker News.... Squeak in Spain!
by Michael Rueger 21 Jan '04

21 Jan '04

From: "Mankovsky, Sheine" <sheine.mankovsky2(a)tdsb.on.ca> Subject: RE: [Squeakland] Squeaker News.... Squeak in Spain! Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 22:13:43 -0500 I have just had a look at the information on the Spain project, Kim. HUGE congratulations to all the people who contributed to this landmark undertaking! I can't think of a more significant combination for kids than Linux, laptops and learning with Squeak. Sheine Mankovsky Trustee, Ward 5 Toronto District School Board "The very essence of the creative is its novelty, hence we have no standard by which to judge it." -Carl R. Rogers

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Squeaker News.... Squeak in Spain!
by Kim Rose 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

Dear Squeaklanders, Take a look at the latest "Squeaker News" to learn about an "EXciting" Squeak project in Spain! http://www.squeakland.org/images/news/news.htm cheers, Kim

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Hands-On Squeak/Etoy Workshop - Feb 12
by Kim Rose 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

Greetings, Squeaklanders! CTAP - The California Technology Assistance Project (Region 3) has invited BJ Allen-Conn and me to conduct a hands-on Squeak/Etoys Workshop on February 12th (3:00 - 5:00 PM) in Sacramento, California. The workshop is FREE and currently open for enrollment. The deadline for enrollment is this Friday, January 23rd. For more information please see: http://www.ctap3.org/index.cfm From this page there is a link on the right including a downloadable PDF with details for registration. Please feel free to pass this along to anyone you know that might be interested and near the Sacramento area. ---- BJ and I will also be conducting a hands-on Etoys workshop at the CUE (Computer Using Educators) Conference in Palm Springs on March 18th! cheers to all, Kim

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