squeakland January 2004

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eToys scalability
by Jecel Assumpcao Jr 03 Feb '04

03 Feb '04

My sister is the "coordinator for technology in education" at a school in São Paulo, Brazil (http://www.colband.com.br/edutech/index.htm in Portuguese only, sorry) and decided to do an EToys project with 9th grade students. She is interested in doing an ecosystem simulation like in the old Vivarium project. I was wondering about how many players you can have before performance drops to an unacceptable level. Her students will be using Pentium IV machines with 1.4GHz and up which are far faster than the computers I have around here, so I can't test this myself. Another limitation is the fixed size of the world. Unless the players are really tiny (like the dots in StarSqueak) it probably isn't practical to have more than a few on the screen at a time. Since the project schedule is from February 26 to June 3 and then from August 5 to October 28, perhaps one solution would be to use EToys in the first semester and then move the simulation to OpenCroquet in the second? That would allow a really large environment. -- Jecel

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Test please ignore
by Frank Caggiano 31 Jan '04

31 Jan '04

Sorry for this, trying to get email straightened out. -- Frank Caggiano "The best education for the best caggiano(a)crystal-objects.com is the best education for all." http://www.crystal-objects.com/ Robert M. Hutchins Logo Users Ring http://www.crystal-objects.com/logo/logoring.html

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Test - please ignore
by Frank Caggiano 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

I've been having problems with message sends to the list. regards

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forum space removed
by Rudy Scott 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

As per request, my squeak forum space has been removed. I look forward to seeing the creation of a forum--a searchable archive of squeak discussion will definitely be an asset to the community. Thanks, --Rudy

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Re: Publishing Squeak Projects to Server
by Steve Gutierrez 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

David, I am a Tech Coordinator at a K-5 elementary school and we've begun using a Swiki to publish Squeak projects. I run a Swiki on our Xserv but originally served it on a DV iMac running OS9. Students upload and then reference their files on the Swiki. Its a great way for students to collaborate and see what others are working on. You can download the Swiki files here http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/15 and learn all about the Swiki here http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki Squeak On On Jan 29, 2004, at 12:00 PM, squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org wrote: > Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. saving squeak projects (David Wells) > 2. Forums for Squeak (Rudy Scott) > 3. Re: Forums for Squeak (Michael Rueger) > 4. Re: Forums for Squeak (Michael Rueger) > 5. RE: Squeakland Forum? (Steve Gutierrez) > 6. Re: Forums for Squeak (Sean McGrath) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:33:51 -0600 > From: David Wells <dwells(a)wildwood.cps.k12.il.us> > Subject: [Squeakland] saving squeak projects > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Message-ID: > <FE258AEB-519E-11D8-AFE5-000393A3EEA2(a)wildwood.cps.k12.il.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Hi all - > > I'm the technology teacher at a small (ca 350 kids) K-8 elementary > school in Chicago, and am just starting to excitedly experiment with > Squeak with a couple of classes that I teach. > > We've got a lab of 18 iMacs (running OS9), all connected to a central > Apple G4 that we use as a server. All of our kids have individual > password protected access to a folder of their own on the server. In > addition, we're running a protection program (FoolProof) to keep kids > from messing around with the hard drive, etc. > > My question: Is there an easy way to have kids publish their projects > to our server? Right now, they're just publishing them to the "My > Squeak" folder on their individual machines, but I can see this > becoming problematic quite soon. I've come into teaching computers > through the back door (having taught art and been a classroom teacher, > worked in museums, done a bit of graphic design, etc.), so I am an > utter Newbie (note the capital 'N') with most things technical. > > thanks for your help! > > David Wells > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:47:38 -0800 > From: "Rudy Scott" <rudy(a)rudyscott.com> > Subject: [Squeakland] Forums for Squeak > To: <squeakland(a)squeakland.org> > Message-ID: <000c01c3e5d7$95d6fd90$6400a8c0@artemis> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Greetings, > > I'd volunteer use of my hosting space for a squeak forum so long as > the bandwidth usage doesn't get too high. I don't have any particular > expertise in Squeak but, I'd be happy to contribute a place for those > who do to answer questions on the subject. > > I've setup a sample phpBB board on my website. > http://rudyscott.com/squeak/ > If people are interested in using this space, I'm happy to provide it > (no warranties :-). > > If squeakland sets up an official phpBB forum I'd be happy to export > the db contents over to the new location. > > --Rudy > >

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Re: Need for forum
by Phil Firsenbaum 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

This particular discussion is a good example of why a forum is preferable to this list. Once a discussion gets active (as this one has) the list messages are long, repetitive, and a bit unwieldy. Phil On Jan 29, 2004, at 3:00 PM, squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org wrote: > Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. saving squeak projects (David Wells) > 2. Forums for Squeak (Rudy Scott) > 3. Re: Forums for Squeak (Michael Rueger) > 4. Re: Forums for Squeak (Michael Rueger) > 5. RE: Squeakland Forum? (Steve Gutierrez) > 6. Re: Forums for Squeak (Sean McGrath) > > > > From: David Wells <dwells(a)wildwood.cps.k12.il.us> > Date: January 28, 2004 9:33:51 AM EST > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: [Squeakland] saving squeak projects > > > Hi all - > > I'm the technology teacher at a small (ca 350 kids) K-8 elementary > school in Chicago, and am just starting to excitedly experiment with > Squeak with a couple of classes that I teach. > > We've got a lab of 18 iMacs (running OS9), all connected to a central > Apple G4 that we use as a server. All of our kids have individual > password protected access to a folder of their own on the server. In > addition, we're running a protection program (FoolProof) to keep kids > from messing around with the hard drive, etc. > > My question: Is there an easy way to have kids publish their projects > to our server? Right now, they're just publishing them to the "My > Squeak" folder on their individual machines, but I can see this > becoming problematic quite soon. I've come into teaching computers > through the back door (having taught art and been a classroom teacher, > worked in museums, done a bit of graphic design, etc.), so I am an > utter Newbie (note the capital 'N') with most things technical. > > thanks for your help! > > David Wells > > > > > > > > > > From: Rudy Scott <rudy(a)rudyscott.com> > Date: January 28, 2004 2:47:38 PM EST > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: [Squeakland] Forums for Squeak > Reply-To: Rudy Scott <rudy(a)rudyscott.com> > > > Greetings, > > I'd volunteer use of my hosting space for a squeak forum so long as > the ban= > dwidth usage doesn't get too high. I don't have any particular > expertise i= > n Squeak but, I'd be happy to contribute a place for those who do to > answer= > questions on the subject. = > > > I've setup a sample phpBB board on my website. > http://rudyscott.com/squeak/ > If people are interested in using this space, I'm happy to provide it > (no w= > arranties :-). > > If squeakland sets up an official phpBB forum I'd be happy to export > the db= > contents over to the new location. > > --Rudy > >

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saving squeak projects
by David Wells 30 Jan '04

30 Jan '04

Hi all - I'm the technology teacher at a small (ca 350 kids) K-8 elementary school in Chicago, and am just starting to excitedly experiment with Squeak with a couple of classes that I teach. We've got a lab of 18 iMacs (running OS9), all connected to a central Apple G4 that we use as a server. All of our kids have individual password protected access to a folder of their own on the server. In addition, we're running a protection program (FoolProof) to keep kids from messing around with the hard drive, etc. My question: Is there an easy way to have kids publish their projects to our server? Right now, they're just publishing them to the "My Squeak" folder on their individual machines, but I can see this becoming problematic quite soon. I've come into teaching computers through the back door (having taught art and been a classroom teacher, worked in museums, done a bit of graphic design, etc.), so I am an utter Newbie (note the capital 'N') with most things technical. thanks for your help! David Wells

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Re: [Squeakland] Forums for Squeak
by Michael Rueger 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

Frank Caggiano wrote: > If what is wanted is a place to post questions, get answers and discuss > squeak (the plugin version) in the educational setting then I thought > that was what this list was for. If your looking to get more technical > information about squeak there is the squeak-dev list. What would be the > purpose of new list? It is not about a new list, but a different way to communicate. So in addition or as a replacement for the mailing list we consider using web forums. It seems that quite a few people prefer forums over mailling lists for a variety of reasons. If that would actually help getting a more lively discussion going on all things related to etoys and education, I think it is worth a try. Michael

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RE: Squeakland Forum?
by Steve Gutierrez 29 Jan '04

29 Jan '04

I too am in agreement for a Squeakland Forum for educators and other learning Squeak. I recall the SqueakPeople site at http://people.squeakfoundation.org/ Its been awhile since I've had a look at the site. I signed up for account but was a bit overwhelmed, not quite my level. I wonder if an area here would work for our needs? Any thoughts? On Jan 28, 2004, at 12:00 PM, squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org wrote: > Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to > squeakland(a)squeakland.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Squeakland Forum? (Phil Firsenbaum) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:25:11 -0500 > From: Phil Firsenbaum <tacmanphil(a)mac.com> > Subject: [Squeakland] Re: Squeakland Forum? > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Message-ID: <8B6DCE59-51AE-11D8-A22C-000A957C3E24(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I heartily agree with François regarding the need for a good > interactive forum to support those of us who are still learning our way > around Squeak eToys and constantly encounter new challenge. > François mentioned phpBB, which I learned is open source and free...2 > attractive features. > I found vBulletin, which looks to be widely used. > For those interested, take a look at vBulletin's forum site > http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/ > > Finally, what will it take to get a forum started? > Phil > > > On Jan 27, 2004, at 3:00 PM, squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org wrote: > >> Send Squeakland mailing list submissions to >> squeakland(a)squeakland.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> squeakland-request(a)squeakland.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> squeakland-owner(a)squeakland.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Squeakland digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: 3 questions : trailStyle, falling balls pictures, forums >> ? (francois schnell) >> >> >> >> From: francois schnell <francois.schnell(a)free.fr> >> Date: January 26, 2004 5:36:13 PM EST >> To: Michael Rueger <michael(a)squeakland.org>, squeakland(a)squeakland.org >> Subject: [Squeakland] Re: 3 questions : trailStyle, falling balls >> pictures, forums ? >> >> >> Bonjour, >> >> * Thank you for the full set of pictures ! >> >> * Concerning good programming community sites I used mainly 2 sites >> for VB and Flash programming in French ... ;-) >> (http://www.flashxpress.net/ and http://www.codes-sources.com/). They >> are not very good sites but they have very active ... Forums ... >> >> They were priceless to me when I decided 2 years ago to learn (Flash / >> Action Script) .I wanted to design and program scientific simulations >> for kids which are running in the Planetarium I worked for. >> I would say I learned Flash : 20 % books, 80 % forums. >> Each time I was really stuck I searched in the Forums and very often >> somone else had the same question. >> There are many advantages to have a forum : >> - Different themes (maybe newbies to squeak, teachers projects, E-tyos >> programming, Squeak programming,...) - It's good for newbies who often >> hesitate to ask "stupid" questions in a mailing list. >> - You've got a good visisibility of "hot subjects" or somone lost >> without an answer. >> - etc. >> >> I like to imagine a "big impact community site"as an emergent system >> like an anthill for example. >> A anthill is very organised and efficient (nursery, cimetery, etc.) >> but there are no individual architect or lead programmer. >> It organise and strenghten itselft thanks to the quality of the >> "communication" beetwen ants (the pheromons) and if the critical mass >> is reached (I believe a few thousands for an Anthill). >> >> Even if I'm still quite a newbie to Squeak (not for long hopefully), >> the more I look at it and the more I see an *Astronomical* multiple >> potential in it. >> >> I think Alan Kay and all the fellows squeak and squeakland teams have >> done a tremendous job. >> There are exotic fruits and succelent juicy food there I never saw >> eleswhere, nevertheless to reach "the critical mass" we need the >> best pheromones and I think a real Forum is a part of it. >> >> >> PS : I actually never installed a forum . Maybe something like phpBB >> could be good (and you can skin it with the Squeak feel and look). >> I'm ready to investigate ... >> >> PS : If Forum there is, I solely here promess to help squeakers on >> it. :-) >> >> >> François Schnell >> Strasbourg >> France >> http://francois.schnell.free.fr/ >> >> >> Michael Rueger wrote: >> >>> francois schnell wrote: >>> >>>> -Project 10 « Falling balls » looks really good, unfortunatelly I >>>> don't have a camcorder. Would it be possible to have the pictures of >>>> the falling ball to do the project 10. I promess I 'll buy a >>>> camcorder « soon » to do the « real » experiment ... >>> >>> >>> The pictures are now available at >>> http:www.squeakland.org/~michael/ball-drop.zip >>> >>> >>>> * Is there a way to search in the archive of the mailinglist ? >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately not. Although a general google search should cover most >>> of it too. >>> >>>> Do you plan to open Forums in the future ? I'm convincing their're >>>> important to initiate a wide community learning from each others >>>> questions and experiences. >>> >>> >>> The mailing list is intended to be the forum to communicate. >>> We are thinking about other forms of communication, do you (or >>> otheres on this list) have examples of good, working community sites? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >

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Forums for Squeak
by Rudy Scott 28 Jan '04

28 Jan '04

Greetings, I'd volunteer use of my hosting space for a squeak forum so long as the bandwidth usage doesn't get too high. I don't have any particular expertise in Squeak but, I'd be happy to contribute a place for those who do to answer questions on the subject. I've setup a sample phpBB board on my website. http://rudyscott.com/squeak/ If people are interested in using this space, I'm happy to provide it (no warranties :-). If squeakland sets up an official phpBB forum I'd be happy to export the db contents over to the new location. --Rudy

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