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Kedama and translatable text
by Carlos Rabassa 15 Feb '11

15 Feb '11

Enjoyed very much creating my first Kedama/Particles project: http://squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=10499 I was planning to use it as a showcase to attract other users to this feature of Etoys. But I had a few problems. The first one has been "translatable text" that doesn´t seem to work with Particles. Would it be possible to fix this? Translatable texts work very well in all other areas of Etoys I tried. It is a great tool. If this could be fixed it would be much easier for me to discuss the other inconveniences I found, directly from the project. Thanks for anything you could do. Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay

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Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Enseñar a Dormir Bien?
by Carlos Rabassa 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

Gracias a todos los que mostraron interés en hacer algo con este tema. Todo lo que puedo ofrecer es este interesante material que recibimos a través del grupo de nuestros ex compañeros de estudio: http://miscelaneaeducativa.com/Archivos/La_importancia_del_sueno_justo.pdf Copio de este documento algunos títulos que pueden dar idea de lo interesante de su contenido: Dormir poco nos convierte en enfermos, gordos y tontos. 1 SÍ, CONOCEMOS LAS CONSECUENCIAS DE UN DÉFICIT AGUDO Y CRÓNICO DEL SUEÑO 2 EL SUEÑO ACTIVA EL SISTEMA INMUNITARIO Y CONTRIBUYE A REGULAR EL METABOLISMO 3 UN SUEÑO ORDENADO AYUDA TAMBIÉN A ALMACENAR INFORMACIÓN EN LA MEMORIA Y A BUSCAR NUEVAS SOLUCIONES CREATIVAS A LOS PROBLEMAS 4 LOS ALUMNOS SE LAMENTAN CADA VEZ MÁS DE DORMIR POCO O DORMIR MAL. SE LES PUEDE AYUDAR DÁNDOLES ALGUNOS BREVES CONSEJOS Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:48 PM, David Van Assche wrote: > Me ha gustado mucho este tema-pregunta. La mayoría de nosotros, especialmente desarrolladores tenemos horarios rutinarias pésimas. Trabajamos 20 horas seguidos un día y 3 otro día. no solamente es poco productivo, s! No que también da trastornos de sueño donde la concertación se ve disminuida por más de 60% me gustaría escuchar que ideas hay para resolver esto. Tanto para profesores, devs y estudiantes.? > > >> On Feb 13, 2011 2:26 PM, "Carlos Rabassa" <carnen(a)mac.com> wrote: >> >> English text follows Spanish >> >> >> Me pregunto ¿Por qué? >> >> - La costumbre de no dormir bien está muy extendida en Uruguay así como en muchos otros países. >> >> - Se asocia la idea de divertirse y ser elegante con dormir de día y vivir de noche. >> >> - Se ven niños acompañados por mayores, usando plazas de deportes bien pasada la medianoche. >> >> - Durante horas de trabajo muchas personas ofrecen síntomas claros de no haber dormido bien la noche anterior. >> >> - Hay muchísimos accidentes de tráfico donde interviene un solo vehículo. ¿Se pueden explicar todos como consecuencia de alcohol o drogas? >> >> - A muchos nos enseñaron que Dios dedicó un día completo durante la creación para separar la luz de las tinieblas. ¿Lo siguen enseñando? >> >> - Hay cumpleaños infantiles que comienzan bien entrada la noche. >> >> - Tanto estudiantes e intelectuales como hijos de papá, dedicados exclusivamente a divertirse, parecen considerar que dormir poco es algo para estar orgullosos. >> >> >> Hice estas preguntas a algunos amigos y todo lo que oí parece coincidir: >> >> - Hay toneladas de pruebas científicas sobre las muchas consecuencias negativas de no dormir bien en forma rutinaria. >> >> - Muchas de estas consecuencias van más allá de la sabiduría popular. >> >> - Muchas consecuencias afectan directamente la capacidad de aprender. >> >> - A ninguno parece preocuparle o interesarle mucho el tema. >> >> - Parecería que ni en el hogar ni en los institutos de enseñanza se predican lo suficiente la importancia de dormir bien. ¿Es cierto esto? >> >> >> >> >> English text: >> >> >> I ask, why? >> >> - The custom of not sleeping well, is widespread both in Uruguay and many other countries. >> >> - We associate the idea of having fun and being elegant with sleeping during the day and living during the night. >> >> - We see children, accompanied by adults, using public playgrounds well past midnight. >> >> - During business hours, many individuals show clear symptoms of not having had enough good sleep the night before. >> >> - There are many traffic accidents involving only one motor vehicle. Can we explain them all through the use of alcohol or drugs? >> >> - Many of us were taught that God dedicated a full day during creation to separate light from darkness. Do they still teach this? >> >> - There are children birthday parties starting well after sunset. >> >> - Students and intellectuals as well as "dady´s children" who live exclusively to have fun, seem to consider that not sleeping enough is something to be proud of. >> >> >> I asked these questions to some of our friends. All I heard seems to point to: >> >> - There are tons of scientific proof of the many negative consequences of not sleeping well as a routine. >> >> - Many of these consequences go well beyond what we alredy know from popular wisdom. >> >> - Many consequences directly affect our capacity to learn. >> >> - No one seems to be much concerned or interested in the subject. >> >> - It seems no one preaches enough the importance of sleeping well. It is taught neither at home nor at schools. ¿Is this correct? >> >> >> >> Carlos Rabassa >> Voluntario >> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal >> Montevideo, Uruguay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >

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Enseñar a Dormir Bien?
by Carlos Rabassa 13 Feb '11

13 Feb '11

English text follows Spanish Me pregunto ¿Por qué? - La costumbre de no dormir bien está muy extendida en Uruguay así como en muchos otros países. - Se asocia la idea de divertirse y ser elegante con dormir de día y vivir de noche. - Se ven niños acompañados por mayores, usando plazas de deportes bien pasada la medianoche. - Durante horas de trabajo muchas personas ofrecen síntomas claros de no haber dormido bien la noche anterior. - Hay muchísimos accidentes de tráfico donde interviene un solo vehículo. ¿Se pueden explicar todos como consecuencia de alcohol o drogas? - A muchos nos enseñaron que Dios dedicó un día completo durante la creación para separar la luz de las tinieblas. ¿Lo siguen enseñando? - Hay cumpleaños infantiles que comienzan bien entrada la noche. - Tanto estudiantes e intelectuales como hijos de papá, dedicados exclusivamente a divertirse, parecen considerar que dormir poco es algo para estar orgullosos. Hice estas preguntas a algunos amigos y todo lo que oí parece coincidir: - Hay toneladas de pruebas científicas sobre las muchas consecuencias negativas de no dormir bien en forma rutinaria. - Muchas de estas consecuencias van más allá de la sabiduría popular. - Muchas consecuencias afectan directamente la capacidad de aprender. - A ninguno parece preocuparle o interesarle mucho el tema. - Parecería que ni en el hogar ni en los institutos de enseñanza se predican lo suficiente la importancia de dormir bien. ¿Es cierto esto? English text: I ask, why? - The custom of not sleeping well, is widespread both in Uruguay and many other countries. - We associate the idea of having fun and being elegant with sleeping during the day and living during the night. - We see children, accompanied by adults, using public playgrounds well past midnight. - During business hours, many individuals show clear symptoms of not having had enough good sleep the night before. - There are many traffic accidents involving only one motor vehicle. Can we explain them all through the use of alcohol or drugs? - Many of us were taught that God dedicated a full day during creation to separate light from darkness. Do they still teach this? - There are children birthday parties starting well after sunset. - Students and intellectuals as well as "dady´s children" who live exclusively to have fun, seem to consider that not sleeping enough is something to be proud of. I asked these questions to some of our friends. All I heard seems to point to: - There are tons of scientific proof of the many negative consequences of not sleeping well as a routine. - Many of these consequences go well beyond what we alredy know from popular wisdom. - Many consequences directly affect our capacity to learn. - No one seems to be much concerned or interested in the subject. - It seems no one preaches enough the importance of sleeping well. It is taught neither at home nor at schools. ¿Is this correct? Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay

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Thanks/Gracias Gaelli Nierstrasz Berna Stinckwich Caen we are translating/estamos traduciendo
by Carlos Rabassa 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

Texto en Español sigue al texto en Inglés Markus Gaelli, Oscar Nierstrasz Software Composition Group University of Bern, Switzerland Serge Stinckwich GREYC, Université de Caen/CNRS, France May we congratulate you on your excellent and useful paper Idioms for Composing Games with EToys http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/papers/Gael06aC5.pdf We also acknowledge Patricio "Pato" Acevedo of Chile. Pato kindly sent us the above link. He suggested translating it for the benefit of the many members of the international Squeakers community who teach and learn in Spanish. We have started the translation in a location accessible to those who receive this link: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1umrn2YYGsk-UpV0XtEB_twbyJmfPpVzCJY… You may see our progress at any time. Please let us know if, for any reason whatsoever, you would prefer we delete this document. As you may notice we went as far as getting to see the first game and took a break to study and play with it. The way you organized and wrote your document is most engaging. It gives the reader the assurance that it is perfectly possible to do what you talk about but, you don´t give all the details about how to do it. Before we realize, we are digging, discovering, learning and gaining confidence in our capacity to learn more and get interesting results. The fact that a friend sent this work to us means we already know we have someone to go back to with questions next time we get stuck. Thanks again for sharing your work!! Sincerely, Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay Texto en Español: Markus Gaelli, Oscar Nierstrasz Grupo de Composición de Software Universidad de Berna, Suiza Serge Stinckwich GREYC, Universidad de Caen/CNRS, Francia Deseamos felicitarles por su excelente y útil trabajo Frases para Crear Juegos con EToys http://scg.unibe.ch/archive/papers/Gael06aC5.pdf Agradecemos también a Patricio "Pato" Acevedo de Chile. Pato gentilmente nos envió el enlace que ofrecemos más arriba. Nos sugirió traducirlo para ayudar a los muchos miembros de la comunidad internacional de Squeakers que enseñan y aprenden en Español. Hemos comenzado la traducción en un lugar accesible a todos los que reciban el siguiente enlace: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1umrn2YYGsk-UpV0XtEB_twbyJmfPpVzCJY… Pueden ver nuestro progreso en cualquier momento. Por favor avísennos si, por cualquier motivo que sea, prefieren que eliminemos este documento. Como podrán notar, llegamos hasta el primer juego. Allí nos tomamos un descanso para estudiarlo y jugar. La forma en que organizaron y escribieron su documento incita mucho a participar. Asegura al lector que es perfectamente posible hacer todo lo que explican y, al mismo tiempo, no dan todos los detalles de cómo hacerlo. Sin darnos cuenta, nos encontramos escarbando, descubriendo, aprendiendo y ganando confianza en nuestra capacidad de aprender más y conseguir resultados interesantes. El hecho de que este trabajo nos lo envió un amigo, significa que ya conocemos a alguien a quien recurrir con preguntas la próxima vez que nos atasquemos. Nuevamente gracias por compartir su trabajo!! Atentamente, Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay

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Etoys Minute - Multiplication Multiple Ways
by Steve Thomas 10 Feb '11

10 Feb '11

It's back ... Your latest Etoys Minutes installment inspired by www.naturalmath.org <http://www.naturalmath.com/>(scroll down to multiplication models). I like the information on this site (and Maria as well, she does great stuff) in particular I like how she shows multiplication multiple ways (including those with no computer ;) Etoys Project here<http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=10494> Enjoy, feedback (especially suggestions and improvements) always welcome. Stephen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVHLYMujS4E

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Re: [squeakland] [etoys-america-latina] [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido deAyuda Etoys
by Carlos Rabassa 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Osvaldinho, Muito obrigado. > e gostaria de publicar. Certamente nós gostaríamos de ver os seus projectos.. Squeakland tem dois fóruns: http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/america-latina Español / Portugués / Portuniol como eu. http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland English. Você, é um Squeaker? http://squeakland.org/squeakers/index.jsp Passos para registrar: http://squeakland.org/sm/login.jsp Depois: Showcase para Todos Esta seção mostra projetos de todos usuários. Sinta-se a vontade para compartilhar seus projetos! http://squeakland.org/showcase/ Até breve, Carlos Rabassa Voluntária Ceibal Rede de Apoio Montevideo, Uruguay On Feb 8, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Osvaldino wrote: > Prezado Sr. Carlos Rabassa. > > Achei muito interessante a montagem obtidas por câmera e editadas a posteriori. > Fiz isso recentemente utilizando Squeak-etoys e gostaria de publicar. > Poderia informar qual os passos para publicação no sitio squeakland? > > Atenciosamente > Osvaldino > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Carlos Rabassa > To: Pato Acevedo > Cc: america-latina(a)squeakland.org ; squeakland.org mailing list ; voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 6:46 AM > Subject: Re: [etoys-america-latina] [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido deAyuda Etoys > > Pato, > > qué bueno oír esto. > > Acabo de recibir este enlace de un compañero de estudios, Pedro Vilanova. > > CONSTRUCTORA CHINA LEVANTA UN EDIFICIO DE 15 PLANTAS EN DOS DIAS > http://www.structura.com.uy/Content/news/show?id=131711 > > En la última línea del artículo hay un enlace al video del tipo "time lapse" que parece aprendimos a hacer. > > Es un ejemplo muy claro de algo que podrán hacer los niños con la nueva técnica. > > Yo creo dominar la técnica para hacer el video pero aún no logro incluír instrucciones en el guión para que la cámara se ponga a funcionar en mi computadora no-XO. > > Hay algunas instrucciones bastante obvias pero no me funcionan ni al hacer click en el signo de interrogación ni al incluírlas en el guión. > > ¿Has logrado esto también o has conseguido el buen resultado usando una XO? > > > Carlos Rabassa > Voluntario > Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal > Montevideo, Uruguay > > > > > > On Feb 8, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Pato Acevedo wrote: > >> Hola a todos: >> >> La captura de fotogramas desde Etoys en la xo ya está trabajando. Agradezco a Bert y Carlos por la colaboración. >> >> Pato Acevedo >> SugarLabs Chile >> >> From: carnen(a)mac.com >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido de Ayuda Etoys >> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:14:14 +0100 >> To: patitoacevedo(a)hotmail.com >> >> Pato, >> >> que quieres decir con perfecto, ¿lograste hacer funcionar la cámara? >> >> Carlos >> >> >> >> On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Pato Acevedo wrote: >> >> Carlos, eso trabaja perfecto. >> >> Gracias por tu apoyo >> >> Pato Acevedo >> >> Subject: Re: [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido de Ayuda Etoys >> From: carnen(a)mac.com >> Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:13:45 +0100 >> CC: iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org; patitoacevedo(a)hotmail.com; squeakland(a)squeakland.org; america-latina(a)squeakland.org >> To: bert(a)freudenbergs.de >> >> Bert, >> >> thanks for your answer. >> >> I believe I wrote the necessary scripts to get the computer to take pictures at regular intervals and automatically prepare an animation, based on those pictures, to get a result hopefully like this: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA >> >> We still have one problem for which we need help. >> >> Neither me using Etoys in a Mac, nor the person who asked me to post the question, using Etoys in Windows, can get the computer´s camera to respond to the Etoys commands in the video section of the camera visor. >> >> These are the scripts we created, while we aren´t able to activate the camera: >> >> Dragging the camera object out of the Object Catalog, I get a blue frame with a working clock on it. >> >> Imagine please, until we resolve the problem of activating the camera, that the animation I want to create consists of a series of still pictures of this clock taken at regular intervals. >> >> Please find attached what I have done: >> >> >> >> I adjusted the clock in the takePics script to take the photos automatically at regular intervals. >> >> I set it at 0.01 ticks per second which resulted in one photo every 1min 40sec as you can see in the clock photos already in the holder. >> >> For the animation script I set the clock at 1 tick per second to be able to see the difference between each frame. >> >> Carlos Rabassa >> Voluntario >> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal >> Montevideo, Uruguay >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> >> Try >> >> Holder include: Camera's lastframe copy >> >> - Bert - >> >> On 05.02.2011, at 19:01, Carlos Rabassa wrote: >> >> Texto en Español luego del Inglés >> >> >> An Etoys user has contacted us for help. >> >> This is what he wants to do: >> >> - Take pictures with and XO at regular intervals, let´s say every 10 minutes. >> >> - Use a series of these pictures to put together an animation, the final result being something like this: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA >> >> He wants to work with Etoys, not Smalltalk. >> >> >> He has been trying to use >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> to write a script to take the periodic pictures. >> >> He would like to move the pictures to a holder to do the animation. >> >> Instead of getting the pictures he is getting just a tile called >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> Your advice would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> Texto en Español: >> >> Nos ha contactado un usuario de Etoys pidiendo ayuda. >> >> Esto es lo que quiere hacer: >> >> - Tomar fotos con la XO a intervalos regulares, digamos cada 10 minutos. >> >> - Usar una serie de estas fotos para juntarlas en una animación logrando un resultado de este tipo: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA >> >> >> Desea trabajar en Etoys, no Smalltalk. >> >> >> Ha estado tratando de usar >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> para escribir un guión para tomar las fotos periódicas. >> >> Le gustaría mover luego las fotos a un contenedor para hacer la animación. >> >> En vez de las fotos le está apareciendo un mosaico titulado >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> Los consejos de ustedes serán apreciados. >> >> >> Carlos Rabassa >> Voluntario >> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> >> >> >> >> >> <Captura de pantalla.png> > > > > _______________________________________________ > america-latina mailing list > america-latina(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/america-latina > > > Nenhum vírus encontrado nessa mensagem. > Verificado por AVG - www.avgbrasil.com.br > Versão: 10.0.1204 / Banco de dados de vírus: 1435/3428 - Data de Lançamento: 02/07/11 >

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Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido de Ayuda Etoys
by Carlos Rabassa 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Bert, thanks for your answer. I believe I wrote the necessary scripts to get the computer to take pictures at regular intervals and automatically prepare an animation, based on those pictures, to get a result hopefully like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA We still have one problem for which we need help. Neither me using Etoys in a Mac, nor the person who asked me to post the question, using Etoys in Windows, can get the computer´s camera to respond to the Etoys commands in the video section of the camera visor. These are the scripts we created, while we aren´t able to activate the camera: Dragging the camera object out of the Object Catalog, I get a blue frame with a working clock on it. Imagine please, until we resolve the problem of activating the camera, that the animation I want to create consists of a series of still pictures of this clock taken at regular intervals. Please find attached what I have done: I adjusted the clock in the takePics script to take the photos automatically at regular intervals. I set it at 0.01 ticks per second which resulted in one photo every 1min 40sec as you can see in the clock photos already in the holder. For the animation script I set the clock at 1 tick per second to be able to see the difference between each frame. Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > Try > > Holder include: Camera's lastframe copy > > - Bert - > > On 05.02.2011, at 19:01, Carlos Rabassa wrote: > >> Texto en Español luego del Inglés >> >> >> An Etoys user has contacted us for help. >> >> This is what he wants to do: >> >> - Take pictures with and XO at regular intervals, let´s say every 10 minutes. >> >> - Use a series of these pictures to put together an animation, the final result being something like this: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA >> >> He wants to work with Etoys, not Smalltalk. >> >> >> He has been trying to use >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> to write a script to take the periodic pictures. >> >> He would like to move the pictures to a holder to do the animation. >> >> Instead of getting the pictures he is getting just a tile called >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> Your advice would be appreciated. >> >> >> >> >> Texto en Español: >> >> Nos ha contactado un usuario de Etoys pidiendo ayuda. >> >> Esto es lo que quiere hacer: >> >> - Tomar fotos con la XO a intervalos regulares, digamos cada 10 minutos. >> >> - Usar una serie de estas fotos para juntarlas en una animación logrando un resultado de este tipo: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA >> >> >> Desea trabajar en Etoys, no Smalltalk. >> >> >> Ha estado tratando de usar >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> para escribir un guión para tomar las fotos periódicas. >> >> Le gustaría mover luego las fotos a un contenedor para hacer la animación. >> >> En vez de las fotos le está apareciendo un mosaico titulado >> >> ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ >> >> Los consejos de ustedes serán apreciados. >> >> >> Carlos Rabassa >> Voluntario >> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > >

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Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido de Ayuda Etoys
by Carlos Rabassa 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Pato, qué bueno oír esto. Acabo de recibir este enlace de un compañero de estudios, Pedro Vilanova. CONSTRUCTORA CHINA LEVANTA UN EDIFICIO DE 15 PLANTAS EN DOS DIAS http://www.structura.com.uy/Content/news/show?id=131711 En la última línea del artículo hay un enlace al video del tipo "time lapse" que parece aprendimos a hacer. Es un ejemplo muy claro de algo que podrán hacer los niños con la nueva técnica. Yo creo dominar la técnica para hacer el video pero aún no logro incluír instrucciones en el guión para que la cámara se ponga a funcionar en mi computadora no-XO. Hay algunas instrucciones bastante obvias pero no me funcionan ni al hacer click en el signo de interrogación ni al incluírlas en el guión. ¿Has logrado esto también o has conseguido el buen resultado usando una XO? Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay On Feb 8, 2011, at 2:29 AM, Pato Acevedo wrote: > Hola a todos: > > La captura de fotogramas desde Etoys en la xo ya está trabajando. Agradezco a Bert y Carlos por la colaboración. > > Pato Acevedo > SugarLabs Chile > > From: carnen(a)mac.com > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido de Ayuda Etoys > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 21:14:14 +0100 > To: patitoacevedo(a)hotmail.com > > Pato, > > que quieres decir con perfecto, ¿lograste hacer funcionar la cámara? > > Carlos > > > > On Feb 7, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Pato Acevedo wrote: > > Carlos, eso trabaja perfecto. > > Gracias por tu apoyo > > Pato Acevedo > > Subject: Re: [IAEP] Etoys Help Requested / Pedido de Ayuda Etoys > From: carnen(a)mac.com > Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 20:13:45 +0100 > CC: iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org; patitoacevedo(a)hotmail.com; squeakland(a)squeakland.org; america-latina(a)squeakland.org > To: bert(a)freudenbergs.de > > Bert, > > thanks for your answer. > > I believe I wrote the necessary scripts to get the computer to take pictures at regular intervals and automatically prepare an animation, based on those pictures, to get a result hopefully like this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA > > We still have one problem for which we need help. > > Neither me using Etoys in a Mac, nor the person who asked me to post the question, using Etoys in Windows, can get the computer´s camera to respond to the Etoys commands in the video section of the camera visor. > > These are the scripts we created, while we aren´t able to activate the camera: > > Dragging the camera object out of the Object Catalog, I get a blue frame with a working clock on it. > > Imagine please, until we resolve the problem of activating the camera, that the animation I want to create consists of a series of still pictures of this clock taken at regular intervals. > > Please find attached what I have done: > > > > I adjusted the clock in the takePics script to take the photos automatically at regular intervals. > > I set it at 0.01 ticks per second which resulted in one photo every 1min 40sec as you can see in the clock photos already in the holder. > > For the animation script I set the clock at 1 tick per second to be able to see the difference between each frame. > > Carlos Rabassa > Voluntario > Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal > Montevideo, Uruguay > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > Try > > Holder include: Camera's lastframe copy > > - Bert - > > On 05.02.2011, at 19:01, Carlos Rabassa wrote: > > Texto en Español luego del Inglés > > > An Etoys user has contacted us for help. > > This is what he wants to do: > > - Take pictures with and XO at regular intervals, let´s say every 10 minutes. > > - Use a series of these pictures to put together an animation, the final result being something like this: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA > > He wants to work with Etoys, not Smalltalk. > > > He has been trying to use > > ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ > > to write a script to take the periodic pictures. > > He would like to move the pictures to a holder to do the animation. > > Instead of getting the pictures he is getting just a tile called > > ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ > > Your advice would be appreciated. > > > > > Texto en Español: > > Nos ha contactado un usuario de Etoys pidiendo ayuda. > > Esto es lo que quiere hacer: > > - Tomar fotos con la XO a intervalos regulares, digamos cada 10 minutos. > > - Usar una serie de estas fotos para juntarlas en una animación logrando un resultado de este tipo: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cl0aw87LqA > > > Desea trabajar en Etoys, no Smalltalk. > > > Ha estado tratando de usar > > ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ > > para escribir un guión para tomar las fotos periódicas. > > Le gustaría mover luego las fotos a un contenedor para hacer la animación. > > En vez de las fotos le está apareciendo un mosaico titulado > > ⎮Camera´s⎮ Lastframe⎮ graphic⎮ > > Los consejos de ustedes serán apreciados. > > > Carlos Rabassa > Voluntario > Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > > > > > > <Captura de pantalla.png>

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Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric
by Alan Kay 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

Hi Ron, Well, "the field" itself really doesn't have a good overview of the strongest ideas it has had since 1950. So I certainly don't get upset when anyone randomly isn't aware of something that happened 40 years ago. But researchers and engineers need to be a lot more careful about checking out prior art. The lack of this has led to the odd phenomena since the 1980s of "reinventing the flat tire". Some of these that were really done badly (like the web browser, various bad scripting languages and UIs) have held things back for decades (and still are). I predict that you will be amazed by Dave Reed's thesis. We implemented it a few years ago and it is now both an open source foundation (Croquet) and a startup (Teleplace). Cheers, Alan ________________________________ From: Ron Teitelbaum <horont(a)earthlink.net> To: Alan Kay <alan.nemo(a)yahoo.com>; Chunka Mui <chunka(a)cornerloft.com> Cc: voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes <olpc-sur(a)lists.laptop.org>; squeakland.org mailing list <squeakland(a)squeakland.org>; america-latina(a)squeakland.org; Carlos Rabassa <carnen(a)mac.com>; Maho 2010 <maho(a)realness.org>; olpc bolivia <olpc-bolivia(a)lists.laptop.org>; IAEP SugarLabs <iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>; OLPC Puno <olpcpuno(a)gmail.com> Sent: Mon, February 7, 2011 8:32:40 AM Subject: RE: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric Thank you for humoring me. I stand corrected. I haven’t read David’s thesis. Just downloaded it. Thanks for the suggestion. Ron From:Alan Kay [mailto:alan.nemo@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 11:21 AM To: Ron Teitelbaum; Chunka Mui Cc: voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes; squeakland.org mailing list; america-latina(a)squeakland.org; Carlos Rabassa; Maho 2010; olpc bolivia; IAEP SugarLabs; OLPC Puno Subject: Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric Hi Ron, I've already played this game ad nauseum with many groups on the web. So I urge everyone to rise above the temptation to name your favorite idea that seems "new". But do you really think there were no peer to peer and cloud computing systems already deployed before 1980? (Hint: I used both quite a lot back then, and for a short time actually was in charge of an ARPA task group to define an AI "cloud resource" for the already running ARPAnet -- the one that got built was a multiple processor system (C.mmp) designed by Gordon Bell) For much larger issues and inventions than DHT, let me refer you to the 1978 PhD thesis of David Reed (popularly known as "the '/' in TCP/IP") at MIT.1978. If you haven't heard of David or read this thesis, then this helps make my main point. Since it would be really improbable for me to be aware of all developments after 1980 (and even some before), I don't claim there have been none. I simply asked for 3 (or even one) since 1980 comparable to personal computing, GUIs, the Internet, Engelbart's notion of "online system", etc. Previous essays into this yielded many suggestions, but I was able to identify prior art for all such. For example, Tim Berners-Lee was suitably embarrassed when he found out about Engelbart - first for the web not doing as well in the design, goals and execution, and secondly, because as a physicist he would have been drummed out of Physics if he had not tried to "stand on the shoulders of giants" (as Newton said), and he had assumed falsely (and I think partly because our field is so careless about its historical great steps up) that computing had no Netwons, and the Internet had somehow just appeared without thought out purposes, and he failed to look for them. Best wishes, Alan ________________________________ From:Ron Teitelbaum <horont(a)earthlink.net> To: Alan Kay <alan.nemo(a)yahoo.com>; Chunka Mui <chunka(a)cornerloft.com> Cc: voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes <olpc-sur(a)lists.laptop.org>; squeakland.org mailing list <squeakland(a)squeakland.org>; america-latina(a)squeakland.org; Carlos Rabassa <carnen(a)mac.com>; Maho 2010 <maho(a)realness.org>; olpc bolivia <olpc-bolivia(a)lists.laptop.org>; IAEP SugarLabs <iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>; OLPC Puno <olpcpuno(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, February 6, 2011 7:28:18 AM Subject: RE: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric Hi Alan, One thing that comes to mind right away is DHT research. I could be wrong but it seems to me that the 90’ saw the birth of DHT, P2P and Cloud Computing. Ron Teitelbaum From:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 2:12 PM To: Chunka Mui Cc: voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes; squeakland.org mailing list; america-latina(a)squeakland.org; Carlos Rabassa; Maho 2010; olpc bolivia; IAEP SugarLabs; OLPC Puno Subject: Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric Hi Chunka, I've been challenged on this point more than once, and have challenged back to come up with one invention that was done after 1980 that matches up to the top 10 done before 1980. This has not happened. I've been able to show the prior art for all suggestions. Essentially everything in the last 30 years has been commercializations and other forms of "innovation" based on what was funded by ARPA, ONR, and by extension, Xerox in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. The important point here is that there are many new inventions needed, and they can be identified, but no one has been willing to fund them. It's not that the early birds got the worms, but that most of the needed worms out there are being missed. Cheers, Alan ________________________________ From:Chunka Mui <chunka(a)cornerloft.com> To: Alan Kay <alan.nemo(a)yahoo.com> Cc: Carlos Rabassa <carnen(a)mac.com>; "america-latina(a)squeakland.org" <america-latina(a)squeakland.org>; squeakland.org mailing list <squeakland(a)squeakland.org>; Maho 2010 <maho(a)realness.org>; IAEP SugarLabs <iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>; voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes <olpc-sur(a)lists.laptop.org>; olpc bolivia <olpc-bolivia(a)lists.laptop.org>; OLPC Puno <olpcpuno(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:53:44 AM Subject: Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric On Jan 30, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Alan Kay <alan.nemo(a)yahoo.com> wrote: GE is being congratulated for recognizing that the iPhone and iPad are pretty good ideas and technological realizations. But isn't this like the congratulations Bill Gates got for finally recognizing the Internet (about 25 years after it had started working)? > >Seems as though Apple had a lot more on the ball than Bill Gates or GE here >(they used to do computing in the 60s, but couldn't see what it was). > >And most of the ideas at Apple (and for personal computing and the Internet) >came from research funding that no company or government has been willing to do >since 1982. Alan -- Could you say more about this point? Surely there's been tons of CS and IT funding since '82, both govt funding to universities and massive research budgets at msft, hp, Regards, Chunka Cheers, Alan ________________________________ From:Carlos Rabassa <carnen(a)mac.com> To: america-latina(a)squeakland.org; squeakland.org mailing list <squeakland(a)squeakland.org>; Maho 2010 <maho(a)realness.org>; IAEP SugarLabs <iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org>; voluntarios y administradores OLPC para usuarios docentes <olpc-sur(a)lists.laptop.org>; olpc bolivia <olpc-bolivia(a)lists.laptop.org>; OLPC Puno <olpcpuno(a)gmail.com> Sent: Sun, January 30, 2011 4:11:49 AM Subject: [IAEP] Plan Ceibal y/and General Electric We try to learn from those who have succeed for a long time: https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1XWm2q8nQ-l5KUJ_PWkQruLDx-nZ7nsKDfg… Carlos Rabassa _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep _______________________________________________ >squeakland mailing list >squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Propagación/Propagation de/of applausos/applause
by Carlos Rabassa 07 Feb '11

07 Feb '11

English version after spanish text Pensamos que con el objeto "Partículas" de Etoys, podríamos visualizar la propagación de aplausos en actos con público como discursos y obras teatrales. Sería buenísimo si alguien hace un proyecto ilustrativo. Tradicionalmente, cuando el presidente de EEUU presentaba su informe anual verbal, televisado desde el Congreso, resultaba muy notable ver a sus partidarios, sentados todos juntos en una mitad de la cámara, levantarse a aplaudir de pié con mucha energía, mientras los adversarios permanecían serios y quietos en sus asientos en el lado opuesto de la cámara. Visto desde la televisión, este fenómeno causaba mal efecto. Generó muchas críticas a congresistas de todos los partidos. Se decía que apoyan sin pensar lo que dice su partido. Se decía que se oponen, también sin pensar, a todo lo que proponen los de la oposición. Para el discurso más reciente, en Enero de 2011, decidieron sentarse en forma alternada. Cada congresista estaba sentado entre dos miembros que no pertenecían a su mismo partido político. Copio la descripción aparecida en un diario de lo que vimos esta vez: >> … Cuando el Sr. Obama decía algo que normalmente habría llevado a sus partidarios [Demócratas] a una ovación de pié, algunos lo hicieron, otros se aguantaron y sus adversarios [Republicanos] algunas veces seguían al líder [de los aplausos]. Los legisladores reunidos, parecían tener menor inclinación a unirse a la corriente sostenida de fuertes aplausos que habían caracterizado discursos anteriores en la cámara. Esto ayudó a agilizar el informe del Sr. Obama (aunque aún así duró más de una hora). Los aplausos desorganizados también crearon cierta asimetría a través de la cámara, con congresistas que se paraban repentinamente independientemente de sus vecinos de asiento silenciosos. << El artículo completo está en: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us English version We think we might visualize the propagation of applause in public events such as speeches or theater shows, using the "Particles" object of Etoys. It would be really nice if someone can create a project illustrating this phenomenon. Traditionally, when the U.S. President gave his State of the Union address, televised from Congress, it was very noticeable how his supporters, sitting all-together in one side of the chamber, raised to applaud in energetic standing ovations, while his adversaries remained serious and quiet on their seats, on the opposite side of the chamber. Viewing this phenomenon caused a bad impression on TV viewers. Congress members from all parties were frequently criticized. Critics said congress members support the opinion of their parties without thinking. They also said they oppose all proposals supported by the party of their adversaries. For the most recent speech, January 2011, they decided to take alternate seats. Each member of congress was seating between two members who didn´t belong to his party. I transcribe the description of what was seen this time, from a newspaper article: >> ... When Mr. Obama would say something that normally would have spurred Democrats to stand, some did, others refrained, and Republicans sometimes followed their lead. The assembled lawmakers seemed less inclined to join in the usual stream of sustained, loud clapping that have marked past addresses given in the chamber. While that helped to speed Mr. Obama’s remarks along (still, they ran more than an hour), the unorganized applause also created some asymmetry throughout the chamber, with members popping up separately from their silent seatmates. ...<< The complete article is at: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/26/us/politics/26scene.html?ref=us Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay

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