Hi all,
I'm just reading a thread on the sugar labs mailing list about paint programs on the XO. Caroline Meeks is requesting a tool like Kid Pix or Tux Paint on the XO, based on her experiences on a Preschool in Boston.
That reminds me of a discussion about lowering the threshold into Etoys by using it as a painting tool. I think, Yoshiki answered a question about that. I'm not sure on which mailing list this discussion took place. But nevertheless I think it is a very interesting thought to have an Etoys version that maybe starts with the paint tool open? I have seen children drawing happily with Etoys and even remember Bert doing a nice project for our kids: he just put a holder on the screen and prepared an animation script. The kids could draw whatever they wanted and put their drawings in the holder, thus changing the animation. They did that on my computer, but each of them had it's own flap, where they stored their drawings. They did that while I was away and showed it to me when I came back. It was so lovely! (And I really liked to look in their flaps, seeing all the objects floating around like the toys in their kid's room:)
So what do you think about that?
Greetings, Rita
On Sunday 01 Mar 2009 6:49:47 pm Rita Freudenberg wrote:
That reminds me of a discussion about lowering the threshold into Etoys by using it as a painting tool. I think, Yoshiki answered a question about that. I'm not sure on which mailing list this discussion took place. But nevertheless I think it is a very interesting thought to have an Etoys version that maybe starts with the paint tool open?
The paint tool interface is complicated for children who are not yet functionally literate in the interface language. Artpad painter (artpad.art.com/artpad/painter) does a better job in introducing painting to young kids.
BTW, painting is not required to start composing etoys. The supplies bin already has objects like Ellipse, Stars and Rectangles that can be put to good use (e.g. http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Art_et_Squeak).
Subbu
From the time a child understands and actually use some of the functions of his/her fingers, any other (unnatural) interface will be difficult to understand, and will require a more experienced kid (or an adult) to show the first steps. Even with a real brush. Trial and error -- or discovery learning -- is one of the first things a child uses to develop his/her self-confidence.
I guess Etoys palette tool does a great job for kids of a certain age, and it is certainly a first step for creating objects, no matter shape this object may have.
So, yes, for a certaing age group, Etoys could well be preset to be opened with the paint tool already on. It could "invite" them to create almost immediately, just for the sake of creation (the object concept could be introduced later). For more experienced groups, just leave as it is now.
my 2ç
On Mar 1, 2009, at 1:28 PM, K. K. Subramaniam wrote:
On Sunday 01 Mar 2009 6:49:47 pm Rita Freudenberg wrote:
That reminds me of a discussion about lowering the threshold into Etoys by using it as a painting tool. I think, Yoshiki answered a question about that. I'm not sure on which mailing list this discussion took place. But nevertheless I think it is a very interesting thought to have an Etoys version that maybe starts with the paint tool open?
The paint tool interface is complicated for children who are not yet functionally literate in the interface language. Artpad painter (artpad.art.com/artpad/painter) does a better job in introducing painting to young kids.
BTW, painting is not required to start composing etoys. The supplies bin already has objects like Ellipse, Stars and Rectangles that can be put to good use (e.g. http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Art_et_Squeak).
Subbu
Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
2009/3/1 K. K. Subramaniam subbukk@gmail.com:
BTW, painting is not required to start composing etoys. The supplies bin already has objects like Ellipse, Stars and Rectangles that can be put to good use (e.g. http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Art_et_Squeak).
As you are referring to these resources, the following page is a better one for English speaking people: http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Category:Etoys_English
Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
2009/3/1 K. K. Subramaniam subbukk@gmail.com:
BTW, painting is not required to start composing etoys. The supplies bin already has objects like Ellipse, Stars and Rectangles that can be put to good use (e.g. http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Art_et_Squeak).
As you are referring to these resources, the following page is a better one for English speaking people: http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Category:Etoys_English
Hilaire, this website is just amazing! We should add a link to the squeakland website http://www.squeakland.org/resources/community/ What would you call it? Can you give 1-2 sentences for the description?
Greetings, Rita
Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
Rita Freudenberg wrote:
Hi all,
I'm just reading a thread on the sugar labs mailing list about paint programs on the XO. Caroline Meeks is requesting a tool like Kid Pix or Tux Paint on the XO, based on her experiences on a Preschool in Boston.
That reminds me of a discussion about lowering the threshold into Etoys by using it as a painting tool. I think, Yoshiki answered a question about that. I'm not sure on which mailing list this discussion took place. But nevertheless I think it is a very interesting thought to have an Etoys version that maybe starts with the paint tool open? I have seen children drawing happily with Etoys and even remember Bert doing a nice project for our kids: he just put a holder on the screen and prepared an animation script. The kids could draw whatever they wanted and put their drawings in the holder, thus changing the animation. They did that on my computer, but each of them had it's own flap, where they stored their drawings. They did that while I was away and showed it to me when I came back. It was so lovely! (And I really liked to look in their flaps, seeing all the objects floating around like the toys in their kid's room:)
So what do you think about that?
I think this is a great idea. Etoys can be a environment where kids make their own applications or activity as they are called on XO. I have a partly working tool that can save pictures to the Journal. That way the rest of Etoys could be hidden so just the painting part would be in focus.
This also reminds me, it would be nice to have a direct option in Holders to be a flap.
Karl
Hi: We are a group of teachers participated in a group of self formation about Etoys in South America. Teachers participating in this course are Uruguayans (xo), Argentins and other Spanish-speaking countries.
About the question, we have a problem with the versions. Originally we used the Atenex´s version but we try to maintain compatibility with Squeakland for Uruguayan´s Teachers can use the course in their xo´s. I think a new version not is a good idea. Perhaps a book Morphic supports different versions (include plug-in for the browser) with a comic style page and the holder, more a lot of images ready to use can be a good start. Remember in the Etoys xo there is not a administrator pictures. The tabs are a nice idea, too.
Sorry for my basic english skills. I wait you can to understand my ideas.
Our group: http://www.irisfernandez.com.ar/squeak/
One example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgLVLiHRCy8
cheers
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Rita,
From playing with etoy s with my kinds I think they'd love it.
One thing I remember we found a little distracting was that each painted object determined it's own size from what happened to be non-transparent and the image rendering seemed to be based on one of the corners. This meant that if you were trying to draw a bouncing ball you needed to put some extra marks to 'fix the frame' in which the ball appeared or you just ended up with a squirming ball sitting there. It's a good concept for kids to have to 'get', but once they got it it became a chore to work with. I'm not sure what could be a natural and/or easy way to address this.
regards, Nicholas
From: rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de To: squeakland@squeakland.org Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:19:47 +0100 Subject: [Squeakland] painting with Etoys
Hi all,
I'm just reading a thread on the sugar labs mailing list about paint programs on the XO. Caroline Meeks is requesting a tool like Kid Pix or Tux Paint on the XO, based on her experiences on a Preschool in Boston.
That reminds me of a discussion about lowering the threshold into Etoys by using it as a painting tool. I think, Yoshiki answered a question about that. I'm not sure on which mailing list this discussion took place. But nevertheless I think it is a very interesting thought to have an Etoys version that maybe starts with the paint tool open? I have seen children drawing happily with Etoys and even remember Bert doing a nice project for our kids: he just put a holder on the screen and prepared an animation script. The kids could draw whatever they wanted and put their drawings in the holder, thus changing the animation. They did that on my computer, but each of them had it's own flap, where they stored their drawings. They did that while I was away and showed it to me when I came back. It was so lovely! (And I really liked to look in their flaps, seeing all the objects floating around like the toys in their kid's room:)
So what do you think about that?
Greetings, Rita
Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
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At Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:19:47 +0100, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
Hi all,
I'm just reading a thread on the sugar labs mailing list about paint programs on the XO. Caroline Meeks is requesting a tool like Kid Pix or Tux Paint on the XO, based on her experiences on a Preschool in Boston.
That reminds me of a discussion about lowering the threshold into Etoys by using it as a painting tool. I think, Yoshiki answered a question about that. I'm not sure on which mailing list this discussion took place. But nevertheless I think it is a very interesting thought to have an Etoys version that maybe starts with the paint tool open? I have seen children drawing happily with Etoys and even remember Bert doing a nice project for our kids: he just put a holder on the screen and prepared an animation script. The kids could draw whatever they wanted and put their drawings in the holder, thus changing the animation. They did that on my computer, but each of them had it's own flap, where they stored their drawings. They did that while I was away and showed it to me when I came back. It was so lovely! (And I really liked to look in their flaps, seeing all the objects floating around like the toys in their kid's room:)
Somehow it was hard to lookup but here it is:
http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-November/002772.html
Adding Journal support etc., and polishing it up an it could be something.
However, the above test is tied to the existing paint tool and it cannot overcome the downside of it. A skelton paint widget and if rest of parts are done in Etoys scripts, then making customized versions would be much easier. Abe-san and Takashi and others used to make such bare-born versions so it might be worth to dig them up.
-- Yoshiki
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