Squeak-dev March 2002

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[GOODIE] SerialTerminal-nk
by Ned Konz 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

from preamble: "Change Set: SerialTerminal-nk Date: 29 March 2002 Author: Ned Konz <ned(a)bike-nomad.com> 3/29 added: * keyboard focus * better extent initialization * hex dump mode This serial terminal builds on (and requires) Felix Franz's vt100Telnet change set. It provides a general-purpose serial terminal with vt100 emulation. To open a terminal, just go: SerialTerminal openOnPort: 0 or whatever number you need to use for your serial port. Numbers have the following meaning: # Unix Windows 0 /dev/ttyS0 COM1: 1 /dev/ttyS1 COM2: etc. There is a context menu in the text window that can change the settings. "!

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[GOODIE] SerialTerminal-nk
by Ned Konz 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

from preamble: "Change Set: SerialTerminal-nk Date: 29 March 2002 Author: Ned Konz <ned(a)bike-nomad.com> This serial terminal builds on (and requires) Felix Franz's vt100Telnet change set. It provides a general-purpose serial terminal with vt100 emulation. To open a terminal, just go: SerialTerminal openOnPort: 0 or whatever number you need to use for your serial port. Numbers have the following meaning: # Unix Windows 0 /dev/ttyS0 COM1: 1 /dev/ttyS1 COM2: etc. "!

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[Q] Ipaq (WinCE) screen drawing problem
by Henrik Gedenryd 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

Does anyone recognize the screen redrawing problem in the attached images? Also there seems to be a misalignment between what is drawn on the screen and where I tap (taps seem to be registered as being done somewhere else, or things are drawn in the wrong place). I'm using Yoshiki Ohshima's current VM and Kevin Fisher's TinySqueak image. Henrik

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Re: Comments welcome: designer look for squeak
by Martin Drautzburg 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)vsnl.com> writes: > Would you expect us to move on to the new look at the cost of performance :) Yes I would, but I doubt that there will be much of a performance penalty. It is a matter of good art not featuritis. No need for animations or such things. And then there is always Moore's law ...

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Comments welcome: designer look for squeak
by Martin Drautzburg 30 Mar '02

30 Mar '02

Squeak is the finest piece of software I have seen in ages. The look of it however is not on the bleeding edge. Especially when you download a vanilla squak version. It can be tweaked, I know. It follows a somewhat different paradigm than "widget sets" and it is in many aspects far superior to the capabilities of classic toolkit-style programming. All true. Actually I am not sure if squeak is ment for large application but I also don't see why it shouldn't be. To me, the Smalltalk/Java story smells a lot like the Linux/Windows story. Where will Squeak be in five years from now ? Apart from "growing software" there is also a need to grow a community. The learning curve of smalltalk is initially quite steep. I suppose eToys flatten this curve a great deal, but I doubt that these are ment for industrial strength applications. In order to offer some initial candy to potential members of the community it might be a good idea to give squeak a distinctive look. This has been done with Java's "metal look" and with Apple's "Aqua". It does not have to be themable, it just has to look cool enough, so interested people keep interested and it has to be different to other known looks (well *that* is the case already). *One good* look is enough. There are some technical things to do, but this is not the essential part. The important thing is to produce a fine piece of artwork which parallels the fine piece of software we see here. I was wondering if it waswould be a good idea to try and let some designers do the artwork. Sort of like "free artwork". The rewarding mechanisms of open source software should also work for non-software artists. It should be possible to find some designers on the net, who are willing to contribute. If we have to stop thinking that programming is a matter of editing text it might also include a larger portion of visual art. And isn't a "look" essentially a design pattern ?

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RE: Apple hyping java...
by Todd Blanchard 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

Relax, its marketing. Internally, Apple does everything in ObjectiveC. They view it as a sort of secret weapon though. The Java stuff is to get the J-Heads over to the Mac. Once there, I believe it is hoped they will look around at the Cocoa stuff and maybe give it a whirl. If they do, they'll be hooked. Also, in their defense, squeak is not a production platform. Specifically, the UI kit is raw (not that swing is all that good) and quirky. Squeak has a great deal of potential that I feel remains untapped, primarily because its been a reasearch platform. People try things, they learn things, maybe they clean some of it up, but mostly they move on and try new things. Oh yeah, Java SUCKS. I am trying to see if I like bistro though... -----Original Message----- From: Stephan B. Wessels [mailto:swessels@one.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002 6:40 AM To: Squeak mailing list Subject: Apple hyping java... Help me I'm going to puke... >From the article at http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=4425 "Apple views Java as being the technology that enables people to develop and deploy applications across multiple platforms. "We chose Java because we believe that no matter how big a company or what kind of organization you are, you're going to have a heterogeneous network with many different platforms sitting on it on many devices. "Java is the leader in this space right now - in fact, it's probably the only player in the space for providing a cross-platform technology. And that's why Apple chose to support Java in OS X - because Apple believes that Java is the glue binding all these systems together"

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[Q] magnetic morphs
by Martin Drautzburg 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

Is there something like a magnetic propery of morphs, i.e. when one is dragged next to another one, the two will align and the twosome can then be dragged together. Alternatively an easy way to do such thing would also help me.

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Where is Jerry Archibald
by Mayuresh Kathe 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

Hi, If Jerry Archibald is anywhere around, could he please reply offlist? Regards, ~Mayuresh

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Re: Apple hyping java...
by gf＠zchs.org 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

While agreeing with your sentiments, a bit of bitter reality has to be acknowledged in Apple's defense: despite any familial, and even legal, relationships, it is not Apple's responsibility to promote Squeak (it's really ours). Apple's responsibility is to sell Apples, and bringing attention to the fact that a potential customer's investment in Java will retain its value if a switch is made to the Apple platform, and that's just good business. I don't fault Apple for plugging Java; I just wish they weren't so blamed SMUG about it. However, I'm convinced that, were we to drive customers Apple's way begging for Squeak, they'd cheerfully pronounce they not only support it, they INVENTED it! (-: Gary "Stephan B. Wessels" <swessels(a)one.net> wrote: > I really like the products that Apple produces. So I tend not to be openly > critical of them. > > But the statement that really offended me was 3... Java is the leader in > this space right now - in fact, it1s probably the only player in the space > for providing a cross-platform technology....2 > > For goodness sakes. Didn't the Squeak Central work for Apple when Squeak > was created? > > There's just days when the Java hype just rubs me wrong. Don't even get me > started about Jme2EE. > > - Steve > > > On 3/29/02 3:26 PM, "Gary Fisher" <gafisher(a)sprynet.com> wrote: > > > Glue is fine for binding some things, though cheese also has its adherents. > > Personally, I'd prefer to be UNbound, but maybe I just tend to think > > different. > > > > Gary > >

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Apple hyping java...
by Stephan B. Wessels 29 Mar '02

29 Mar '02

Help me I¹m going to puke... >From the article at http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/top_news_item.cfm?NewsID=4425 ³Apple views Java as being the technology that enables people to develop and deploy applications across multiple platforms. ³We chose Java because we believe that no matter how big a company or what kind of organization you are, you¹re going to have a heterogeneous network with many different platforms sitting on it on many devices. ³Java is the leader in this space right now in fact, it¹s probably the only player in the space for providing a cross-platform technology. And that¹s why Apple chose to support Java in OS X because Apple believes that Java is the glue binding all these systems together²

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