Squeak-dev April 2006

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A newbies list, mentors
by Chuck Smith 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Hi All, I have been reading the list for over two years now. I have not yet written any code. I have been busy creating content by guiding my two code writing friends in the creation of an industrial robot for grade schoolers to teach (they teach the robot what we teach them) and use to build custom homes and gardens and sell them. The students sell the mansions they have taught the robots to build. You see 4 and 5 year olds can build if they can trial and error at it. With the robots we have created a simulator where the students trial and error until they get it right and then they send the digital instructions to the robots to preform the work. No, we have not completed a mansion yet. We are on Monday the 24th of April setting up at the Oak Hills Elementary in Bountiful Utah, USA with the robots to do our first pilot project. I have been looking for the best way to quickly teach the students how to program. We have purchased St?phane Ducasse's book Bot Inc. and have had the students creating training videos of this media. The creation of the videos really excites the students to get in and practice. All on their own they have created 6 videos. They still need lots of practice but it is good enough for us to pay them to do the work. So, with Alan and others saying why is there not someone creating something to change the world, I thought you might like to know what we are doing. I have looked at etoys and many other materials but as has been stated no one is getting at the heart of world progress the way it could be done with all the powerful tools. The way we see to bring the children up to their full potential is as we are doing. Which is showing them how to use the tools and make money form 4 years old on up. This may not set well with many of you but if you are truly honest and think about it this is the only way. After they, the children are confident, then their altruisms will grow and the money will not be the motivation to learn and create. But we have to start them here to motivate them to experiment and over come the fear and negativity they get from all people older than them both youth and adults. I will be posting videos of our robots etc. this next week. Bottom line, the creation of resources is the only thing that keeps this earth functioning and leading the way to a better world. So the children need to have the opportunity to create in the real world, which we give them with out the bodily hazardous. I know Alan is shy of the youth working and learning by producing. But this is not assembly line work. It is creation, design, engineering and fun. It has a real sense satisfaction and accomplishment. Anyone who would like to join us is welcome. Thanks for all the effort you all put forth everyday, Chuck Smith

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Squeak Chat Thursday April 27th 08:00 GMT
by Ken Causey 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Just a reminder that the next Squeak Chat will take place between 08:00 (8 AM) and 12:00 (Noon) GMT Thursday April 27th, 2006. As usual we will meet in #squeak on irc.freenode.net. More information about the #squeak IRC channel can be found at http://people.squeakfoundation.org/article/7.html This is a good time to contribute to the development of Squeak by participating in the Harvesting Process. One of the main ways to contribute is by Reviewing submitted fixes and enhancements. For information about the Harvesting Process see http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/squeak/3152 If you have the time please attend and work toward the future of Squeak. The next seven chats are scheduled for 12:00 (12:00 PM) GMT Monday May 01, 2006 16:00 (04:00 PM) GMT Friday May 05, 2006 20:00 (08:00 PM) GMT Tuesday May 09, 2006 00:00 (12:00 AM) GMT Sunday May 14, 2006 04:00 (04:00 AM) GMT Thursday May 18, 2006 08:00 (08:00 AM) GMT Monday May 22, 2006 12:00 (12:00 PM) GMT Friday May 26, 2006

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some news
by stéphane ducasse 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

about etoy in python.... Begin forwarded message: > Blog de Mark Shuttleworth: > > "Suffice it to say that after two days in the bunker, I think we > did brilliantly! I saw real bridges being built between Alan and > Guido, two great men who's collaboration might give us the tools to > teach logic from the earliest days of education (think of 5 year- > olds writing code visually) through to high level instruction (we > all know how effective Python is for university type problems, > right?). Instead of fighting over turf or syntax, I sensed a > genuine willingness to synthesize the best work from both camps > into something that could have both Python's pop-culture widespread > appeal, and pedagogical foundations that build on years of Alan's > experience in the Squeak world. The mouse might yet become the > snake's strongest ally."

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Re-2: Looking for good souls
by frank.urbach＠schmees.com 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Agree. One list is enough. The combination of the list with an well structured swiki (e.g. pier) with permanent refactored pages would help enormous. Cheers, Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Looking for good souls (22-Apr-2006 21:41) From: Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)impara.de> To: frank.urbach(a)schmees.com > I actually still think the "one-list-for-all" is best, because even > if you don't understand half of what is discussed, you at least get > to know that more advanced topics exist. > > However, I can see how a newbie might be afraid of posting some basic > question to squeak-dev. So to get new folks to participate, I'd make > it explicit in the list name that it really is okay to ask even the > dumbest questions. How about > > "squeak-newbies" > > Can't get much more inviting than that, can it? > > - Bert - > > Am 22.04.2006 um 20:49 schrieb Hans N Beck: > > > Hi, > > > > why not simply squeak-help ? > > > > Regards > > > > Hans > > > > Am 22.04.2006 um 18:58 schrieb stéphane ducasse: > > > >> sounds cool. > >>> In keeping with zen and the importance of approaching the world > >>> with "beginner's mind", I like squeak-beginners. > >> > >> > > > > > > >

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[ANN] Dolphin Free community edition
by stéphane ducasse 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hi all Please distribute this message... There is now a free version of Dolphin (the Community Edition) is now available. See here: http://www.object-arts.com/content/navigation/products/dce.html This requires a serial number but dolphin people suggest that for academic institutions they should register once and then just distribute the serial number to their students. Stef

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about http://bugs.impara.de/view.php?id=1840
by stéphane ducasse 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

tim lewis? should we push that fix in 3.9? Stef

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RE: some news
by Alan Kay 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

You've got it. The US thinks it is "there", and this is the most disastrous attitude to have, either at the level of a country (or a programming language). Cheers, Alan --------- At 07:13 AM 4/22/2006, Alan Lovejoy wrote: >Alan Kay> As Seymour once said, "I wish the US was still a developing >country!"). > > We could say that about Europe also.... > >Hilaire: "Hum, not sure to understand. " > >My reading of what Seymour said (as quoted by Alan K.) was that the term >"developing country" is a pun. The phrase "developing country," instead of >having its usual meaning, refers to the fact that the US is no longer a >country interested in positive change ("development,") and is instead a >place where ideas, attitudes and the level of enlightenment are static. > >Perhaps I'm wrong, but that is how I read it. > >--Alan L. > >-----Original Message----- >From: squeak-dev-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >[mailto:squeak-dev-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Hilaire >Fernandes >Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 7:07 AM >To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list >Subject: Re: some news > >Alan Kay a écrit : > > Yes, if only the world -- especially computer people -- were even > > halfway rational and interesting in learning ... but this is one of > > the main goals of education (= enlightenment, etc.), and this is why > > global education for everyone has been my main interest over the years. > > > > As Seymour once said, "I wish the US was still a developing country!"). > > We could say that about Europe also.... > >Hum, not sure to understand. In developping country, one related problem to >education is to avoid children suffer from anemia, which make them unable to >concentrate on anything. > >Hilaire

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Re-2: Looking for good souls
by frank.urbach＠schmees.com 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

Hi, Stef, I'm also a newbie and read the mailing list every day. Some of the topics are difficult to anderstand for an newbie and the discussion is sometimes very strong. I like this but some newbie is in fear write simple questions because they think "its not the right place". I think it is the right place for all. The call for questions from newbies on the squeak-dev-list could animate newbies to write. An here are many kind people answering every question also when the same question was answerd 4 or 5 times before. The expierenced people can anwer the difficult questions, the people with fresh remindings on there own beginning can help the absolut beginners. One good example was an posting where I want help somebody. I have missanderstood something and Bert correct me. So I understood the thing better. Thats the best way to get the right understanding of smalltalk and squeak. So lets go asking newbies. Here is the rigtht place !!!! Cheers Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Looking for good souls (22-Apr-2006 10:39) From: stphane ducasse <ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch> To: frank.urbach(a)schmees.com > > > > if it is like that, then squeak newbies is necessary but please don't > > forget (or rethink) the old arguments not to split squeak dev. > > Sure but I think that if people can get less fear to ask then we win. > > > > > So maybe us who want to help at least should think about how to deal > > with this matter. > > > > I personally think we should try to direct people here, as soon as > > they lost their shyness. > > Indeed! > > Stef > > > > > > > > > Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net > > > > > >

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The Croquet SDK 1.0 Beta...
by Andreas Raab 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

... is now live at http://www.opencroquet.org Enjoy! - Andreas

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Re: new linux install confused!
by ron 22 Apr '06

22 Apr '06

On Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:34:58 +0200, Damien Cassou wrote: > It seems all is configured properly. > Things you can do if you only want > to work on a single image (we often have > different images for different > purposes: development, testing new > images...) is to write a simple > script like this one: > > /home/ron/bin/squeak.sh: > > #! /bin/sh > cd ~/squeak > exec squeak squeak.image > > chmod +x /home/ron/bin/squeak.sh > > Now, you just have to type 'squeak.sh' > where you want and squeak will be > launched. > > Another thing you can do is to link > .image extension to squeak in you > favorite file system navigator. Then you > will be able to just click on > an image and squeak will be launched. > > -- > Damien Cassou > --- Thank You, Damien, everyone, This shell script works for me in: /home/ron/bin/ #!/bin/sh cd $HOME/squeak SQUEAK_PLUGINS=$HOME/lib/squeak/squeak-3.9-4 export SQUEAK_PLUGINS exec $SQUEAK_PLUGINS/squeak squeak.image I was surprised to see a blank initial screen on first boot. I did an update and noticed alot of packages were downloaded. Can you suggest a tutorial or demos that give an overview of squeak and explain all the new terms I'm already reading about on this list. -ron-

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