Squeak-dev April 2006

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[ANN] 7024... SmallLand :)
by Stéphane Ducasse 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hi all here is a new update with .... yes the smallLand changes. Thanks diego. Please consider that we should fix some glitches there and there but this is a cool step forward. Any fixes are welcomed (I personally do not like the 3d look for menu, but there are new color themes). We will for the education image put the docking bar. We lost a bit of speed in browser opening and Marcus identified some slowdown (that disappear when a menu is open :)). so we will have to look there. The next important batch before beta is to incorporate the pending fixes for traits (and we are trying to identify a strange behavior when the image is idle). Adrian worked a lot on that and we hope to push that next week. We will harvest then some simple fixes (Time of Avi, fonts of Berts) and turn Beta. Stef

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[ANN] 7024... SmallLand :)
by astares＠gmx.de 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

Hi, attached is a small change I would like to see incorporated. It makes the border for the title area of menues a little bit smaller and uses a squared corner. Looks not so intrusive like the one in 3.9#7024 See http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/2050/menumorph0ub.png for a preview Maybe Diego is able to repaint the "pin" shape similar to the aliased icons in the main docking bar - so that the white pixels will go away. Thx Torsten -- GMX Produkte empfehlen und ganz einfach Geld verdienen! Satte Provisionen f�r GMX Partner: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/partner

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pending mac carbon VM 3.8.12b4U
by John M McIntosh 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

I've posted a new VM to the usual places, 3.8.12b4U (universal Mac powerpc/intel, certified for Croquet). http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com/squeak.html This VM changes the sleep logic to use select() versus nano-sleep(). In testing, a nano-sleep() VM seems to use 35% of the CPU, versus 12% for select(). No one managed to notice this but in the past people have mumble when the idle CPU for their background squeak VMs seem too high. Lastly I'll note all Croquet tests past, including the socket latency tests. The WebTeam I've CCed can update the ftp site with this version -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> 1-800-477-2659 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== ===

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Inspiration for Croquet :)
by stéphane ducasse 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

http://www.elica.net/index.html

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64 bit VM?
by Michael Latta 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

What is the status on the 64 bit VM effort? Is that VM ready for use? I am considering a project that Squeak would be good for, but I need a very large image (20GB-2TB). Can the garbage collector deal with this? Is there enough locality for the OS virtual memory system to work? The 64 bit Sun VM has been tested with 100s of GB of heap. Has anything like this been done in Squeak? Michael Latta

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Re: Looking for good souls
by John Briggs 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

On Mon, Apr 24, 2006 at 10:34:08AM +0200, st?phane ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > You know what? I found you really conservative and sitting on your > knowledge. > Do you really want to stay in your private club, be dandy, do not > invite anybody to learn and grow? > Because you think that people are not afraid of our discussions? Really? > > May be this starter mailing-list will fail but I will have dare to > try instead of staying with your > certainty about life and facts. > > My GOAL IS NOT TO SPLIT SQUEAK_DEV. My goal is to give a chance to > people > that are afraid or do not want to receive sometimes 50 emails per day > to communicate with us. > These are years that because of technological aspects we did not > create such a list. > > > Here is what ralph told me, so either we do it publicly via > squeakfondation as a normal and public list > as the fact that we acknowledge that newcomers are ***welcome*** in > our cool community, or I create > a mailing in an obscure mail server and I will advertize it. I let > you decide. But I will do it (you know me > and I will fail and take the responsibility of this failure if it > fails but at least I could be looking at this scar > and be proud of it). I have been monitoring this thread with some interest because I could see the need for all users to be able to ask questions about squeak that would not fit in with the discussions on the squeak-dev mailing list. After reading this thread I believe the answer may be to create a squeak newsgroup. This would have several advangtages: 1. All users can ask their questions there without fear or favour. 2. The experienced Squeakers could monitor the list and try to help when they feel able. 3. This would prevent an extra load on, and some separation from the squeak-dev mailing list. 4. Discussions of a particular topic will be threaded and thus easier to follow. I agree with Stephane that something like this should be instigated and is very necessary for people to adopt squeak and try to use this marvellous environment. John

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unix vm 3.9-5 libuuid.so.1 error
by Jimmie Houchin 24 Apr '06

24 Apr '06

I just downloaded the latest unix vm 3.9-5 i686 I can't get it to run. I get this error. squeak: error while loading shared libraries: libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I have /lib/libuuid.so.1 on my machine. This is on Ubuntu Dapper AMD64 I tried running squeak in the local directory which was created when unzipping the download. And also from the INSTALLed squeak. I also tried copying the lib to both the local directory and also the /usr/local/lib/... directory. My attempts were simply ~$ ./squeak my.image #the local vm ~$ squeak my.image #the INSTALLed vm I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, or if there is something wrong in my setup, or what. Any help getting this going greatly appreciated. Jimmie

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Re-2: The Croquet SDK 1.0 Beta...
by unknown＠example.com 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

First I had also problems with some stuff needed for starting. Here my experience for Windows XP: copy from a squeak installation file SqueakFFIPrims.dll. install OpenAL an copy files OpenALPlugin.dll and OpenAL32.dll into the \bin directory. Then it will work very fine. And in this place: Real great work, guy's. Thanks a lot for these bunch of work. Thanks for the programming guide. A lot of stuff to read. Cheers, Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: The Croquet SDK 1.0 Beta... (21-Apr-2006 1:04) From: Yanni Chiu <yanni(a)rogers.com> To: frank.urbach(a)schmees.com > Andreas Raab wrote: > > ... is now live at http://www.opencroquet.org > > Finally, I got it to run on WinXP Home. > I kept getting a walkback about glMatrixMode > external call failed. When I tried Croquet 0.3 > again, it worked just fine. > > I hunted around for opengl32.dll, but where to install it? > I tried it in WINDOWS/system/ and in the bin/ where the > new Croquet.exe resided. But those places didn't work. > > Finally, I tried moving the Croquet.exe and all the .dll's > (including the opengl32.dll) into the same directory as > the image/changes files. Then it worked. Now I'm a little > dizzy, since the avatar seems to move a little faster. > > There was a slight hiccup when taking apart the coloured > cube. One or two of the blocks were thrown off into the > distance, but all the other blocks stayed the same distance > away. Also, it seems you cannot hold a block, and move at > the same time. > >

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Shore components demo is down
by news.gmane.org 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

Has been for the last couple of days

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Re-2: Looking for good souls
by unknown＠example.com 23 Apr '06

23 Apr '06

+1 Cheers, Frank -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Looking for good souls (22-Apr-2006 22:11) From: Jimmie Houchin <jhouchin(a)cableone.net> To: frank.urbach(a)schmees.com > stephane ducasse wrote: > > Hi all > > > > I would like to have a list for newbies: squeak-starters > > because (I see it now with my students) newbies are really afraid to post, > > experience with python mailing-list doing the same are a success so we > > should learn. > > > > Now I would like to have a couple of good souls to help me answering the > > questions > > on this squeak-starters mailing-list. > > > > So if we are 4 or 5 we win! > > I don't consider myself a newbie as I've been playing with Squeak for > years and have not been shy about displaying my ignorance on this list > for all to see. :) > > I'm not sure we need a new list. > But if we do keep this list as the one list for all, we do need to make > the Subscription page better. > > It says at the top: > """ > This is the main Squeak developers' list, which isn't restricted to any > particular Squeak topic. It is the newest incarnation of the list > formerly known as squeak(a)uiuc.edu. It has been given the more specific > name "squeak-dev" to distinguish it from other Squeak lists that are > emerging. > """ > > > I think that it hasn't been the squeak(a)uiuc.edu for so long that we > should drop that comment. It isn't meaningful to most people who > subscribe today. > > In this section we should make it explicitly clear that the list is for > everyone. Maybe something like: > > """ > This mailing list is a general discussion list for Squeak. > Squeak is a multi-faceted environment providing a variety of > applications, a development environment and the Smalltalk programming > language. > > This list is for those who are interested in any area of Squeak. > Whether you are new to Squeak or are a long-time veteran, please feel > free to participate in friendly, productive and sometimes excited > discussion. Don't be shy, jump on in, were here to help. > > For more information about Squeak go to: http://www.squeak.org > > To subscribe, unsubscribe, view archives or for posting information see > below. > > Enjoy! Squeak makes computing fun! > """ > > > Okay maybe I went overboard. :) > > But hey, hammer this out on the list and lets provide a better front to > this mailing list. And then if it proves at some point to have a > squeak-users (or somesuch) list, then we can do that. > > > Jimmie >

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