On Sat, 1 Jul 2000, Stefan Matthias Aust wrote:
At 18:50 28.06.00 -0400, Bijan Parsia wrote:
Hmm. This isn't quite true either. Can you really show multiple fonts in multiple sizes in one workspace?
Yes. Try "set font" in the "more..." yellow menu of a workspace. I just did NewYork14. I have pasted in other fonted text..
Please let us define "different font" first.
Well, ok, so long as we do it correct.
For me, NewYork12 and NewYork24 aren't different fonts but just the same font in different sizes.
Well, for Squeak---and the typesetting world---they're different fonts. NewYork12 and NewYork24 can have completely different glyph sets. Er...they *do* have completely different glyph sets.
And changing the font size is all you can do with the "set font..." menu option.
Well, you didn't *say* through the "set font..." menu option...though it turns out with *minimal* tweaking, you can make that work too.
So please let me repeat my question: Can you show one word written in font Comic12 and another word in font NewYork12 in the same workspace in the same size? Looking at the "Welcome to..." window, there should be a way, but AFAIK, you can't.
Well, at this point, I'm no longer *confident* that I can satisfy your concerns with more words that may not answer to your understanding. But perhaps a picture will do the job:
http://www.unc.edu/~bparsia/squeak/MultiFontWorkspace.gif
I would show the menu which now has Ypatia14 as a font option...but I can't remember where I put the delay code for the screenshot that Bob did up for me, and don't feel like it :)
The simplest way to add *more* fonts (not that there's just one at the moment) to the set font...menu is to inpsect DefaultTextStyle, and evaluate (something like): self fontAt: 5 put: (ComicBold fontAt: 3)
Then open a new workspace.
The UI studly with time on their hands can work up a new font menu that collects various vaguely related "fonts" into "families" under a heading in the menu with submenus for the "font sizes".
So, I *believe*, I sincerely *hope*, that it is now established that there *is* a sufficently *rich* Rich Text Widget for, at least, *some* purposes. I cannot say that it answers to *all* purposes, but it's also pretty clear that *building* ones, using a variety of techniques, is non-burdensome to various degreeds.
Cheers, Bijan Parsia.
P.S. Well, *yes*, I'm feeling a touch snippy...what's it to you? ;) P.P.S. To be fair, I think mine is a *reactive* snippiness. I do tend to get snippy when the number of "this what squeak needs before I'll deign to use it" posts outweigh the "here's something cool to play with", espeically when the former start talking about "most" or "many" people, etc. etc. P.P.P.S. Not that your concerns aren't valid, well-phrased, interesting yadda yadda yadda. But I'd like to see a few more, "Well, here's one way I can use squeak as is." type posts. Or "here's a small thing that would help me, anyone up for it?" P.P.P.P.S. But since we feature-whining...what I'm *dying* for is a Squeak port of Lucene (a java VTwin full text search clone): http://lucene.sourceforge.net/ Any java literate folks up to taking it on? For *meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee*? <blink/> <flutter/> <blink/> P.P.P.P.P.S. (Different "blink" tag...don't be fooled.)