Hi Craig,
Tim wrote:
Maybe it would be better to just abandon the current image lineage and jump ship to build this purely on top of Spoon?
and you responded:
Yeah, let's do that one. :)
I know you are seriously smiling here.
Yeah, let's do that one !!!
I don't know if you are serious enough to use your Spoon to scoop out from the release Squeak 3.9 the KernelImage pioneered by Pavel and post the system and instructions for reproducing it...
Yes, I'm completely serious; but, unlike what I'm making, I don'tthink Pavel's image is really a kernel (it's not minimal). I think it's great if his work shows a way to delineate particular subsystems, though.
Yes, I agree.
I think Pavel current work with his KernelImage is more than just a backbox shrinking.
I think he recorded his journey and reported back to the captains to steer the ship towards a true kernel image.
Hopefully the captains are not steering in the opposite directions ;-)
In general, I think "stripping" is a losing strategy.
I agree here too and I am not very comfortable at the thought of shrinking my image and being a stripper ;-)
There's only one strip that matters for making a basis artifact, and that's the one that gets to an absolutely minimal core.
You mean something like the KeyHole image ;-)
I hope no one has to do it again after I'm done.
I see Pavel's work and your work can be complimentary.
I think Spoon is basically GIGO, and specifically SISO (Spaghetty In, Spaghetty Out ;-) no AI yet, right?
From then on, the system should be composed of modules which can just be told to unload. The modules should worry about handling the ramifications of their dependencies (asking for human intervention only when absolutely necessary). It should be possible to compose any desired system by loading modules into the minimal core.
As for the 3.9 image, that's just one of several sources ofbehavior that I plan to imprint onto the Spoon object memory. I plan to release Naiad for each one, so that people can imprint from them.
I am quite anxious to see this happen.
-C
p.s.
I'm on the verge of another milestone: I have successfully removedall references to SystemDictionary and its sole instance from the minimal object memory, and my remote browsing tools work without referring to them as well. I'm about to remove them.
Good to hear.
-- Craig Latta http://netjam.org/resume
Cheers,
PhiHo