Hi Folks -
[Just as a reminder: You may want to consider changing subjects once the discussion goes as far off as it does here. I dropped off this thread a while ago and if it weren't for Bert's post would have never looked at it again]
Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
People will not do serious things with Tweak as long as they do not have a middle term visibility about Tweak. Like it or not, this is how it work. An expression of interest from the Tweak developper to get Tweak mainstream in Squeak could of course change that. But it seems, as I learn it recently from other email of the thread, that it is not the case.
Which email are you referring to?
Also, mind you, it took Morphic quite some time until it became the default UI. Several people worked full-time on it. That's also a reason why the "Tweak developers" don't take on such a task lightly.
It is understandable as resource is now tight. However it is not an excuse to not communicate, which seems to be the problem now.
Not sure why you think this is a problem. If you have any questions, have you tried asking them on the Tweak mailing list? Or perhaps cc-ing the relevant messages over to it? I'm much more likely to look at stuff coming in that way than on my occasional glance over Squeak-dev.
Tweak is developped with Squeak for Squeak, its integration mainstream in Squeak can only be done in collaboration with the Tweak developper. Steph suggested me a few days ago, to play with Tweak as a base for further development. I look at the tutorial, it was nice, I love many of the developer features comming with Tweak. Tweak introduced new paradigm as the annotation. This new features are changes to the core Squeak, IMHO to integrate thus core modifcation in Squeak a close collaboration is needed between the Tweak developer and the Squeak integrator. Without communication between both it is even not a good idea to try to do so, remember resources is tight for every one.
Right. I agree. So what kind of communication do you expect and where have we failed to provide an appropriate level of communication?
Cheers, - Andreas