"Peter van Rooijen" squeak@vanrooijen.com wrote:
From: goran.krampe@bluefish.se
"Peter van Rooijen" squeak@vanrooijen.com wrote:
From: "Tim Rowledge" tim@sumeru.stanford.edu [snip]
You are correct, I don't need to lecture you on how Smalltalk works.
It
also
goes without saying that since you have been 'making it
professionally
for
twenty years', your judgments about it are much more valuable than
whatever
opinion I might have about it.
Excessive humility is at least as big a sin as excessive pride. Say three Hail Alans and write out the morphic hierarchy 100 times in expiation.
Tim, I have no problem with you, or anyone else, displaying arrogance.
In
fact, in most instances, I will enjoy it.
At the same time, there is a line between arrogance and verbal abuse.
You
have crossed that line in one big step.
Goran,
Peter - I am pretty sure Tim was joking for most part here.
It is of little consequence. I want to get this bug in Squeaks shared variable binding fixed. Tim can joke about it all he likes, I don't mind. I am squarely opposed, however, to not fixing a major bug because Tim has never been bothered by the bug.
Eh... now I think things are getting mixed up. I think I was the one talking about "not been bothered" by the bug. And that was only regarding doing a new release of 3.6. As I understand it Tim has never been opposed to fix the bug (or has he?).
I thought it was pretty funny to read. And you *did* sound pretty ironic (the sentence beginning with "You are correct, ...")
That sentence was not ironic. I meant it when I said I don't need to lecture Tim on how Smalltalk works. In both possible meanings: he does not require instruction from me, nor do I have a compulsion to instruct him.
The second sentence *was* ironic. Of course I didn't really mean it when I said his 20 years of doing Smalltalk automatically makes his opinions more valuable than mine.
Eh, sorry, that was the sentence I was referring to.
Do I really need to explain this?
No, of course not. I was simply reacting on your rather strong words trying to get you guys to cool down. This list is a friendly list and we try hard to keep it that way.
so a little "punchback" was just to be expected IMHO.
Had he "punched back" by giving real arguments instead of quoting his many years of experience and his fear of being confused by a correctly working facility that he doesn't see as useful anyway and would not want to use, I would have appreciated the "punchback".
I was referring the the "Hail Alans" etc, not anything else. And again you are assuming that Squeak is meant to be nothing more than a "Smalltalk". I have posted on that issue. What I mean is that "correctly working" is clearly up for debate.
Come on now guys, shake hands and let us continue. :-)
If you want to continue, I suggest you test the fix and post your findings.
I have no idea what you are implying by this last sentence. AFAICT there is an ongoing discussion and I am following it. And the day has not come yet when people can simply tell me what to do unless they pay me.
regards, Göran