I mean, a single line "there is a new version available" might suggest that your current configuration and project might run better than before. I we can only try to make this true for a specific update stream. It might be a hassle when migrating your image from, say, 5.2 to 6.0. Especially since the migration scripts, which we maintain in the Trunk stream, are missing in the release repositories.
Best, Marcel Am 12.10.2022 19:03:58 schrieb tim Rowledge tim@rowledge.org: There's a bit of a difference between "there is a new version you might like to download" and "Windows eleventy-twelve version umpty-grump is going to install itself unless you hit the moving single pixel target twice in the next 0.0001 seconds, and by the way it will lock your machine for the next 5 min... wait, no 17, no, 5 hour.. no wait 3 months" :-)
On 2022-10-12, at 2:10 AM, Marcel Taeumel wrote:
Well, I don't like that Windows 10 bugs me about updating to Windows 11 ... so ... not a fan of this proposal. ;-)
Best, Marcel
Am 11.10.2022 13:17:28 schrieb Thiede, Christoph :
Hi Marcel,
that's a fair point. We could still just display a notice in the dialog without a button for switching the update stream, maybe this:
Stable version. A newer release (Squeak 6.0) is available (click here to [download](https://squeak.org/downloads/)).
What do you think about this? :-)
Best,
Christoph
Von: Squeak-dev im Auftrag von Taeumel, Marcel Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Oktober 2022 10:56:09 An: squeak-dev Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)
Hi all --
As soon as we make switching update streams easier and more discoverable, we might get a new kind of support requests for arbitrary combinations such as "I cannot update 5.1 to 6.0 or Trunk" and so on.
In general, we cannot guarantee an easy migration from some older Squeak version to a newer one. It remains experimental. Biggest reason for that is that there will be versions missing between some release repository and another or the latest Trunk, where actually a specific point in the Trunk update stream should be started with.
Best, Marcel
Am 29.09.2022 09:27:28 schrieb Thiede, Christoph :
This could fit well into SystemVersion>>#description. Could we also promote new versions there, e.g., if you update a Squeak 5.3 image, say something like:
Stable version. A newer release (Squeak 6.0) is available (click here to upgrade). You can also upgrade to the latest Trunk (bleeding edge, click here).
Wdyt?
Best,
Christoph
Von: Squeak-dev im Auftrag von karl ramberg Gesendet: Donnerstag, 29. September 2022 06:48:12 An: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Cc: ma.chris.m@gmail.com Betreff: Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)
Please add a warning that Trunk is bleeding edge, that the image can and will break. But it is still fun for the most part :-D
Best, Karl
On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 1:45 AM Jaromir Matas wrote:
Now that you mention it, this is easy to overlook and I wonder how
many new users even know that the trunk stream is available to them?
I agree with Dave that switching update streams is too hidden and would be very convenient to change with "one click".
+1, very much agree with Dave… I had no idea about a trunk. I would have appreciated such convenience/encouragement to switch to the trunk when started :)
Jaromir
From: Chris Muller Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2022 23:35 To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] Make the trunk stream more discoverable? (was: Docs on Contributing to Squeak)
I agree with Dave that switching update streams is too hidden and would be very convenient to change with "one click". Whatever UI approach is chosen to expose it better, please ensure the action ends up also ensuring whichever one is switched to (trunk) is the top HTTP repository in each MCWorkingCopy, so that the revisions will be ready to go as well.
- Chris
On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 2:48 PM tim Rowledge wrote:
Dave is suggesting another option in the menu, not a pop-up thing.
I'd also consider making it part of the dialogue that already pops up at the end of an update -
In the default downloaded state it shows the Url as 'http://source.squeak.org/squeak60'. If we added a button 'update from trunk from now on' this would be reasonably obvious and very easy to use.
On 2022-09-28, at 12:04 PM, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
I would deem an extra pop-up too intrusive. Probably many people use a stable release image deliberately and only want to receive backported patches for that. But maybe we could add a short note into the Transcript or the "updated completed" dialog?
tim
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