I agree with you in general, but I don't think that (b) isn't fixable - or at least, I would claim that it currently needs fixing. Look at the very first sentence on the current squeak.org: "With the Squeak programming system, we have made some delightful and powerful educational applets. " For someone coming to Squeak looking to use it for business, that will be the first sentence and quite possibly the last they read - not because there's anything wrong with educational applets (there's everything right with them, in fact), but because that person will assume that this tool is not aimed at them and go elsewhere.
I agree. And please understand me correctly - I am not saying that Squeak.org doesn't need updating. I'm saying the contrary, I'm saying we need up-to-date, compelling content for the new site. But I'm also saying that the content that's up on the new site *right now* is not as good as what's up on Squeak.org *right now*. And the discussion about how "ugly", "crappy" or outright "bad" the current website is seems to be exclusively focused on the "childish look" rather than anything that's content related.
No, I was not commenting on the look exclusively. The contents is desynchronised with Squeak. I agree with avi. The problem is that we are all extremely busy so a wiki is the way because we can edit it and at least making sure that it does not dead.
For the other half:
Because may be squeak.org is dead anyway.
Only once we start ignoring the contents for the looks of the site.
The contents have been ignored, apparently, for about 5 years: the "Where is Squeak Headed" section claims to be "coming soon" and offers "Entering 2000" as the latest material. Anyone would think that Squeak has been stagnant or abandoned since the days of superbowl ads for online petfood... we need to fix this if we're going to have any credibility.
Precisely! *That* is the stuff we need to be looking at and argue about.
Exactly! So this is why please go an udpate the new one. I still think that it would be good to have - squeak4fun - squeak4edu - squeak4business
because the punch lines and the contents could be at the right level and much easier to write.
Stef