At Matthew Fulmer's request, I am making my email to him below public. Aik-Siong Koh
Matthew:
Thank you for supporting Phua for this project. He is indeed excellent.
I would like you to reconsider Chai whom I judge is very good. A score of -1 does not reflect his worth. Phua and Chai worked very well together on their final year project. Since you know Phua, can you contact Phua directly and get a real picture of Chai.
Chai already has a job offer that is 30% above average for his class. But he will be doing Perl. I am hoping GSoc will give both Phua and Chai the visibility that companies like Qwaq will support them to do Smalltalk.
All the best, Aik-Siong Koh
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:11:12PM -0700, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
At Matthew Fulmer's request, I am making my email to him below public. Aik-Siong Koh
I suppose that's a cue to make my reply public as well
Matthew:
Thank you for supporting Phua for this project. He is indeed excellent.
I would like you to reconsider Chai whom I judge is very good. A score of -1 does not reflect his worth. Phua and Chai worked very well together on their final year project. Since you know Phua, can you contact Phua directly and get a real picture of Chai.
Chai already has a job offer that is 30% above average for his class. But he will be doing Perl. I am hoping GSoc will give both Phua and Chai the visibility that companies like Qwaq will support them to do Smalltalk.
No doubt, but we can't fund both to work on the same project as part of gsoc. We won't have that many slots. If you would prefer Chai to be in GSoC over Phua, I will support that and change my vote. But we can't have both. You should drop one of them from the 'I am willing to mentor' list.
If Chai is a newer student than Phua, it may make more sense to push him for GSoC over phua, as Phua has already invested a lot into this project.
The votes reflect whether we want to see this project as part of GSoC, not on the student's worth. Chai is great, but if phua needs the spot more, we can't have chai in.
I voted under the assumption that Phua deserves the GSoC funding over chai. If you would rather it be the other way, I will reverse my votes. But you should not push both. We don't have enough slots to spend 2 of them on one project.
I agree with Matthew that it is probably not going to be possible for us to support 2 FreeCAD projects. However I believe he is mistaken about voting. I'm hoping Giovanni will clarify but from his descriptions I understand that there are two seperate voting periods. We are currently in the first one where we should evaluate each application in isolation purely on its merits irrespective of any other application. Later (around the 15th as I understand it) we will be told how many projects Google will fund for us and it will be time for us to narrow down the choices to fill the available slots. Then will be the time to consider issues such as how many applications we can support for a given concept, etc.
Can you confirm this is accurate Giovanni?
Ken
On Tue, 2008-04-08 at 18:09 -0700, Matthew Fulmer wrote:
On Tue, Apr 08, 2008 at 03:11:12PM -0700, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
At Matthew Fulmer's request, I am making my email to him below public. Aik-Siong Koh
I suppose that's a cue to make my reply public as well
Matthew:
Thank you for supporting Phua for this project. He is indeed excellent.
I would like you to reconsider Chai whom I judge is very good. A score of -1 does not reflect his worth. Phua and Chai worked very well together on their final year project. Since you know Phua, can you contact Phua directly and get a real picture of Chai.
Chai already has a job offer that is 30% above average for his class. But he will be doing Perl. I am hoping GSoc will give both Phua and Chai the visibility that companies like Qwaq will support them to do Smalltalk.
No doubt, but we can't fund both to work on the same project as part of gsoc. We won't have that many slots. If you would prefer Chai to be in GSoC over Phua, I will support that and change my vote. But we can't have both. You should drop one of them from the 'I am willing to mentor' list.
If Chai is a newer student than Phua, it may make more sense to push him for GSoC over phua, as Phua has already invested a lot into this project.
The votes reflect whether we want to see this project as part of GSoC, not on the student's worth. Chai is great, but if phua needs the spot more, we can't have chai in.
I voted under the assumption that Phua deserves the GSoC funding over chai. If you would rather it be the other way, I will reverse my votes. But you should not push both. We don't have enough slots to spend 2 of them on one project.
On Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:11:12 +0200, Aik-Siong Koh wrote:
At Matthew Fulmer's request, I am making my email to him below public.
You both are missing the essential; the background (and your hailing) of students has to be put onto the respective project application page, either into the private or the public section, for our *valued* sponsor's reviewers to recognize them.
I didn't check the related pages before I wrote this but, in case you already put it up there then your posting the same here would seem to be a bit more than just redundant.
And: in case you just want to advertise your projects, ideas and students, I urge you to do that on the public mailing lists where *all* members of the community can see them, value them and provide their feedback.
Cheers, Klaus
Aik-Siong Koh
Matthew:
Thank you for supporting Phua for this project. He is indeed excellent.
I would like you to reconsider Chai whom I judge is very good. A score of -1 does not reflect his worth. Phua and Chai worked very well together on their final year project. Since you know Phua, can you contact Phua directly and get a real picture of Chai.
Chai already has a job offer that is 30% above average for his class. But he will be doing Perl. I am hoping GSoc will give both Phua and Chai the visibility that companies like Qwaq will support them to do Smalltalk.
All the best, Aik-Siong Koh
SoC mailing list SoC@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/soc
Is it unthinkable to have two student in one slot (in this particular cas, this seems a good idea no?) ? Maybe, it's more a local arrangement but that's a question I'm wondering...
Cédrick
Thank you for all the comments and I will respond to all in this post.
I started freeCAD: 3D CAD with Motion Simulation in 1999 using VisualWorks Smalltalk and have done quite a lot with it. http://ar-cad.com It was only in June 2007 that I had three students in Multimedia University, Malaysia to port freeCAD to Croquet for their final year projects. Working together Phua and Chai achieved the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG_bNp9raxc I am very pleased with this, as are others in the Croquet world.
For GSoC, Phua proposes to port all the CAD and Simulation capabilities in freeCAD into Croquet. Chai proposes to EXTEND freeCAD/Croquet to create free-form shapes using NURBS which is the state of the art for shape creation. http://rhino3d.com/ On hindsight, they should have used different project titles.
All the best, Aik-Siong Koh
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