Squeak-dev January 2001

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Re: 3-button mice on Mac
by JArchibald＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

=> 1/25/01 12:59:12 PM EST, JArchibald => << Paul Caudill >> Duh. Let's try Pat Caudill there. Sorry Pat, Jerry ____________________________ Jerry L. Archibald systemObjectivesIncorporated ____________________________

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Re: 3-button mice on Mac
by JArchibald＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

=> 1/25/01 12:27:08 PM EST, dway(a)riskmetrics.com => << there's an excellent product called USB Overdrive that lets you do this. (http://www.usboverdrive.com ) >> Doug, Thanks. I got a separate communication from Paul Caudill recommending the same thing. I'll give it a try. Thanks guys, Jerry. ____________________________ Jerry L. Archibald systemObjectivesIncorporated ____________________________

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3-button mice on Mac
by JArchibald＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Is there any support for 3-button USB mouse using a Macintosh? I tried a number of images (2.8, 2.9) and VMs. Yellow and Blue buttons produce the same action as Red button. Other applications on Mac seem to respond to the second and third buttons in the same way. Can these events be distinquished? Jerry.

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Re: Squeak Books!
by Ned Konz 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

On Wednesday 24 January 2001 20:18, Luciano Notarfrancesco wrote: > I ordered Mark's textbook a few months ago and I got > it in the mail last week. It's the first Squeak book > published on paper. It's wonderful. I love that book! I bought it too. Looks like good content. I hope the next one has better production. Many of the screen shots appear to have the fuzzy artifacts of JPEG compression, making the text hard to read. It's hard to imagine why anyone would have used JPEG for screenshots, but I hope the next book doesn't. -- Ned Konz currently: Stanwood, WA email: ned(a)bike-nomad.com homepage: http://bike-nomad.com

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RE: newbie. morphic is sluggish on my PC
by Pennell, David 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

I don't know if this is the same problem that others have reported ... With the later model Windows VM's (I'm running the 28R4 one now), I'm seeing 30% background CPU usage in a fresh Morphic project. I've seen this behavior at at least 2.9-2915, 3125 and 3193. I'm running on a 500 MHz PIII with 384 MB of memory and Windows 2000. Morphic is definitely sluggish with 150 MHz as the ante. -david > -----Original Message----- > From: Bert Freudenberg [mailto:bert@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 7:03 AM > To: Raymond Tiefenthal > Subject: Re: newbie. morphic is sluggish on my PC > > > On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Raymond Tiefenthal wrote: > > > Morphic is so slusggish here. Is there a recipe or > changeset for speeding it > > up (It must be easy to do, since I'm a newbie. I cant't > rewrite large > > portions of code.)? > > If not, I would be willing to use BeOS. Is the BeOS-squeak > any faster? I use > > 2.8 and 2.9alpha for Windows at the moment. There are no cpu intense > > background programs running. > > Or do I have to update my K6-400 PC? > > Make sure you set Squeak's display depth to the same your desktop uses > (see World menu -> appearance). A 400 Mhz PC should be fine. What > graphics board is in there? > > -- Bert > >

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Re: newbie. morphic is sluggish on my PC
by Bert Freudenberg 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Raymond Tiefenthal wrote: > Morphic is so slusggish here. Is there a recipe or changeset for speeding it > up (It must be easy to do, since I'm a newbie. I cant't rewrite large > portions of code.)? > If not, I would be willing to use BeOS. Is the BeOS-squeak any faster? I use > 2.8 and 2.9alpha for Windows at the moment. There are no cpu intense > background programs running. > Or do I have to update my K6-400 PC? Make sure you set Squeak's display depth to the same your desktop uses (see World menu -> appearance). A 400 Mhz PC should be fine. What graphics board is in there? -- Bert

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Re: Meaningful Swiki URLs?
by Bert Freudenberg 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > Hi Jeff, > > I see that you have name for certain pages, but > for example, > > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/3 > could be > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/people involved > > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/5 > could be > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/Swiki History Plese read the help page, section "URL guessing". The URLs you are looking for are http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/peopleInvolved and http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/swikiHistory -- Bert

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Re: Meaningful Swiki URLs?
by Stephane Ducasse 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Yes you are right! What I like wit WkiWorks is that we have meaningfull reference like stef+fun+squeak what I would like to know if thereis a possibility to merge two wikis Or to have one wki synchonzed with another one. For example have one on my local machine and one main server then when I connect Iwould like that the change I made on y local one are transported to the server one: tell me if there are some conflicts. > Resent-date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 17:23:28 +0000 > Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2001 18:24:15 +0100 > Resent-from: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > From: Henrik Gedenryd <Henrik.Gedenryd(a)lucs.lu.se> > Subject: Meaningful Swiki URLs? > Resent-sender: squeak-request(a)cs.uiuc.edu > To: Squeak list <squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu> > Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; > Resent-message-id: <68beVC.A.60F.Q-wb6(a)jerry.cs.uiuc.edu> > MIME-version: 1.0 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > X-Loop: squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu > User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 > X-Mailing-List: <squeak(a)cs.uiuc.edu> archive/latest/28081 > > Would it be possible to augment the Swikis to allow some pages to be > converted from numbered names ("1235.html") to meaningful names, and/or > adding named subdirectories with default index pages. > > This would be useful for certain more significant topics. > > In that way we could refer questions to meaningful URLs instead of > essentially telling everyone to go to the swiki and search for a given > topic? > > e.g. http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/15 might become > > http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/swiki/pws or something. > > others could be swiki/projects, swiki/download, swiki/faq, swiki/screenshots > and so on. > > Whenever someone asks me about the type stuff, I can't remember the URL (I > think one of them is 1241.html), or even what links to follow. > > Henrik > > Stephane DUCASSE (ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes University of Bern, Institut fuer informatik and Mathematik IAM-SCG, 10 neubruckstrasse, CH-3012 Bern, Switzerland.

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Re: [Q] some questions in Squeak(Nebraska)
by Gert Kok 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Jiyun Kaneta said at $B�3(Be: [Q] some questions in Squeak(Nebraska)$B�(B [2001/01/25 08:28] For the functions you describe, some central server is needed that knows which Nebraska-servers are online and want to give access to others. Chat-programs tell to a chat-server that they want to take part in discussions. These servers manage the list of active participants (and of course discussion channels). This list-managing function is not built into Nebraska. One solution would be to write a program for this function and install it on a central server. Nebraska-servers should tell 'central' that they are active. Clients could contact 'central' As IRC processing is already available in Squeak, I think it is possible to let Nebraska-servers communicate by an IRC channel. That way, N-servers could find out which are on line. After IRC is used to find out with whom to communicate, further communication could be in the normal way. Anyhow, it is not possible to find a solution without some programming. When 'public' is invited to participate in visual group working, 'noisy' activity can become much more troublesome than in IRC. In IRC, everybody can read the history because it is local. It is possible not to read disturbing messages. With a visual chat, the drawingboard is the history. If somebody disturbs it, both the result as the history are gone. So more thinking about granting accessrights is necessary. Gert > (1)It is understood which machine is working as a server when > synchronous work is done by using more than one nearby computer > with Nebraska. > But, it isn't understood which machine is working as a server > when synchronous work is done with the computer which left it far. > For example, how should I know ServerIPAddress to connect when > I want to participate in the synchronous work done in America > from Japan? Must I ask about ServerIPAddress to connect in > advance by mail? > In such a case, I felt convenient if it had the function which > looked for the machine working as a server and returned the IPAddress. > Does Nebraska have such a function? > > I am sorry if even this explanation is hard to understand. > > And, I want to know an answer to another question which I wrote, too. > Teach if there is a person who knows the answer. > Thanks. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~ The University of Aizu ~ > ~ Department of Computer Hardware ~ > ~ ~ > ~ Name : Jun Kaneta (s1052026) H1A ~ > ~ E-mail : s1052026(a)u-aizu.ac.jp ~ > ~ ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >

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Re: [Q] some questions in Squeak(Nebraska)
by Yoshiki Ohshima 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Hello Jun, Somehow I've heard what you want to do, so I might be able to give you the second opinion. > (1)It is understood which machine is working as a server when > synchronous work is done by using more than one nearby computer > with Nebraska. > ... > Does Nebraska have such a function? > > I am sorry if even this explanation is hard to understand. As other guys said, it seems to me that this "name look up service" stuff is *not* something what Nebraska itself should cover. You could build a nice look up service in Squeak or whatever, but you might want to use some simple mechanism for this purpose, if you're not specifically focusing on this. As for the question (2), you could begin it with putting the following code in a Workspace (in a Morphic Project) and evaluating it: NebraskaServerMorph serveWorld: World. World makeNewDrawing: (World primaryHand lastEvent copy setPosition: World center). Scamper open. IRCConnection new openView. With this 4 lines of code, NebraskaServer, a paint editor, a web browser, and an IRC client will be launched. you might want to adjust the window positions. In that case, you need to do a little coding in Squeak. # You will see only one IRC client window when you evaluate # the code. I understand you want to avoid learning Squeak if possible, because of the time constraint. However I recommend to spend *couples of hours* to read Squeak tutorials on the web. It is definitely worth to do. You will be able to guess where you should modify and how to modify in the system. Hope this helps, -- Yoshiki というわけで、こちらに返事を書いてみました。もしかしたら締め切り間近で気が焦っているのかもしれませんが、まったくコードを書かないで済ませることはできないでしょうし、実際にはSqueak のコードを書くのは「非常に」簡単なので、ちょっと数時間かけて是非とも試してみてください。

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