Setools May 2007

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Gjallar and latest seaside code submitted
by Keith Hodges 29 May '07

29 May '07

Dear All, I am pleased to announce that the building script can now run without human intervention needed. It auto-answers any questions that packages may ask on installation. With a little help from Installer, the script has been written without any variables, so as to be easily runnable in a workspace, bit by bit or as a whole. This is a really good resource to have in a workspace, for quickly updating packages if they change, simply select the lines in the script for that package and execute them. The script is (hopefully) readable enough for you to get a good idea of the context of each package, the order of install etc. To run the script from the command line, instructions are given in the Readme files in dist/scripts My working repository for the gjallar build scripts is being served at: http://squeak.warwick.st:8002/newgjallar On demo.gjallar.se, there is a built image in /home/gjallar/keith/gjallar , this working copy is a clone from hg.gjallar.se + a pull from the above repository. When we are satisfied with the scripts the push can be made back to hg.gjallar.se. Minor Bug: The script sets the seaside/config user/password to seaside/seaside At present the build from the scripts, includes the latest seaside, but not a Gjallar release that can use it. This is because the script loads the most recent gk edition, you will need (or need to merge) the latest kph version from the MC repository. I hope that is enough to get everyone started with Seaside2.7a1 latest best regards Keith ---------- From Q2v0.4-kph.263 (found the missing methods - the men in white coats had them) WADispatcher allInstances - Q2Session initialize callse super - Q2Canvas has key and allocateKey, I couldnt see any reason why these should be in WACanvaRenderer - WAAnchorTag text: deprecated in favour of with: (silly I think but this gets rid of the red deprecated sign in the tool bar) - WATagBrush-tabIndex is now included in Seaside, recategorised this method as an override see method comment for details. - Added Q2MacOSSwishEWrapper, www.darwinports.com installs at default path of /opt/local/bin/swish-e - Added 'Magma seaside' has potential for the future. - Added Q2MagmaLocalLocation being a database location that is defined in the ini file, thus being chooseable but not editable in seaside/config whereas MagmaLocalLocation represents a database configurable by setting the path, as can be set in seaside/config. Although Q2Session ignores the WAMagmaConfiguration setting but MagmaControl panel can use it to access the gjallar repository since it knows nothing about gjallar.

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Mercurial
by Keith Hodges 27 May '07

27 May '07

Gjallar Folks, I have been struggling to commit my changes into the mercurial repsitory. I discover that this is because i dont really know how mercurial works. I found this: http://hgbook.red-bean.com/hgbook.pdf and there is a video on google video about it. cheers Keith

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[gjallar] Beach 2007 report
by goran＠krampe.se 22 May '07

22 May '07

Hi folks and especially Gjallar hackers! (this post mainly for participants in "Beach 2007") Ok, we are off to a good start! I have focused on trying to get you guys going on one or a few tasks each - mainly picked in priority - and I think you are all getting into the codebase and starting to produce - which is not easy on such a short period of time, I know. The main priorities for the rest of Beach 2007 are (modulo great contradicting feedback of course): 1. Robustness and reasonable scalability. 2. A few selected areas of functionality added. 3. Adding a bunch of UIs on top of the model, primarily for administration. 4. Getting filters much more operational. 5. Offline mechanisms. Let's go through them one by one: There are a range of issues to work on for #1 and it involves more testing and getting Gjallar working in a multi-image setup. There are today a few "hacks" in the codebase that will break when moving to a multi-image-Seaside setup which we will need to address. The numbers for scalability are probably about 500 users, 30 concurrent, 100k cases. #2 is focused on case linking/spawning, filters of course, builtin statistics, some historic views, print views and a few other odds and ends. I am adding a Priority field to bugs.gjallar.se so it will be clear which ones to work on. This set of functionality is tailored to a large extent to Micronic needs. #3 mainly revolves around exposing functionality we already have in the model through *reasonable* UIs - we don't need to make them perfect. Not making them perfect means that we shouldn't end up in Ajax timesinks - Ajax is good, but it also produces side effects. Also, there is no point at all in making fancy *admin* UIs because there are so few users seeing them. If we need to spend time on Ajaxification/beautification it should be done on the UIs that *all users* use on an *everyday basis*. #4 is on my table and I hope I will get them working good enough during this period. Filters are the basis for several areas, My View (with its case panels), View cases (the generic stackable search UI), Subscriptions (which use filters for fine grained selections), Reports (which again use filters to make the selection), Statistics (again, filters for selection) and so on. The model is more or less in place and the UIs are taking shape. It is rather complex stuff, the filters compile code that tries to use Magma indexes iin #where:-clauses etc. #5 is Gjallar's "secret weapon". Good offline functionality that works is our killer feature. It is important to get it Right. Getting it Right means getting the txn model beneath clean and verified. This is what Balazs and Levente are working on and I think/hope they are making good progress. Another important area we need to address is attachment handling for offline installations (rsync?) and the mirror selection and generation - which probably needs revisiting in the face of larger scales. Also, free text indices needs to be handled. As you see we have lots of work and the idea is to do these things in the right priority order since we probably will be forced to drop things at the end of june. ;) We are working in parallell and I am keeping track of what everyone are doing. As you know all our tasks *should* be in bugs.gjallar.se and I will go through them later today to verify this. I am also adding a Priority field and will expose it in the tables so that you can sort on it (stumbled on a bug which prevented that), and possibly also in a filter. Of the 5 top areas listed above we are working on all fronts except scalability. I don't want to change our disposition right now so we will see the next few days how to address that. We are also thinking of making an interim release in order to look over packaging etc so that we can do it reasonably quick in late june. Ok, cya on IRC and keep those debuggers warm! :) regards, Göran

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Programming with Traits...
by Bergel, Alexandre 16 May '07

16 May '07

Sorry for this recurrent issue. But I would like to program with traits. Is there any tool available so far ? Last year, I proposed few minor extensions to OB to enable creation and use of traits. I could revive them if necessary. I am wondering how do you program with traits yourself ? Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.software-artist.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Gjallar] Now is the time...
by goran＠krampe.se 15 May '07

15 May '07

...to join in developing Gjallar! :) Just wanted to mention this fact to anyone following the development of Gjallar. Sure, for the next 6 weeks (or so) we are 6 developers working paid hours - but that doesn't preclude people working with us! Gjallar is an open source project and all communication is done openly. So please, post here or just show up on the #gjallar channel on freenode.net (IRC) and join up (in any fashion, it doesn't have to be coding). regards, Göran

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[Gjallar] Beach 2007
by Göran Krampe 11 May '07

11 May '07

Hi folks! Ok, as some of you probably noticed I posted about people getting paid to work on Gjallar for about 6-8 weeks - the "Beach 2007" project :) I got a lot of responses and now the team is in place and work is leaping forwards - it is great fun! Public progress will of course be visible on www.gjallar.se - for example under the News section there. We just set up a Gjallar instance for our own issues/tasks/bugs for developing Gjallar. Nice! Currently Balazs and Levente are working on the transaction model and setting up tests to make sure they are true incremental updates - so that we can rebuild a db from scratch fully from the txns. This is a fundamental property to support offline work of course. Igor is working on some administration UIs, to get a grip on Q2Form/Q2Field (Gjallar's Mewa/Maggritte-counterpart), Seaside and its friends. He has also managed to squash a bunch of bugs as a warmup. Keith is looking into upgrading to latest Seaside/Scriptaculous and then he will grab the big task of constructing Seaside UIs for creating issue Processes in Gjallar - including the workflow graphs and so on. That is a big task and will probably take some help. Ralph is getting up to speed with some bug fixing. And I have moved all our tasks/issues into Gjallar - about 70 of them - and have been supporting the other guys. First thing monday I will focus on Filters. So... well, that is our quick status report - I think tons of progress is to be expected the next 6 weeks! over and out, Göran PS. If anyone got itching to help us out (for free though! :)) we are on #squeak and #gjallar on IRC and we can hand out accounts to http://bugs.gjallar.se - our Gjallar instance for Gjallar issues. No point in going there if you don't have an account though.

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[Bug] Get a DNU when installing last Gjallar submission
by Herbert König 10 May '07

10 May '07

Hello, just installed the last mcz (kb.244.mcz) from the repository. Q2Gjallar cleanImage, then Q2Gjallar start server gives the attached DNU. I'm on WinXP and the mcz before (gk.242.mcz) does not show this. Just saw that gk.243.mcz was published, so I went back to 242, merged 243 and had the same error Sorry no time to edit this into the wiki right now. Cheers, Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net

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Installer Improvements
by Keith Hodges 10 May '07

10 May '07

I am pleased to announce an update to Installer. best regards Keith p.s. you may have to wait since Squeaksource is/was down I will put a copy in the gjallar repository. ------------- Installer now handles ftp repositories (at last), and others in theory. Installer now has more convenience methods for your favourite repositories. Some monticello versions have a password manager which does not keep any passwords in the image. The password manager will pop-up a user request dialog if the given password is empty. usage: (Installer monticello http: 'www.squeaksource.com' user: 'kph' password: '') project: 'Installer'; password: 'my secret'; view: 'Installer' install: 'Installer-Core'. Installer now loads .cs and .st files using Monticello if present thus taking advantage of new features such as atomic loading even for non-monticello changesets. It also uses the Monticello snapshot browser to view .cs and .st files Installer has convenience methods for your favourite repositories. Most items can now be #install: #view: or #browse: with a variety of results. e.g. view of mcz opens a MCVersionInspector, browse opens an MCShapshotBrowser Mantis bugs reports web pages can be retrieved as text. Installer mantis bug: 55. Files uploaded on mantis can be viewed or browsed. Installer mantis bug: 6089 browse: 'TTFSpeedUp-dgd.1.cs'. (Installer mc ftp: 'mc.gjallar.se' directory: '/' user: 'gjallar' password: 'our secret') [not tested] (Installer mc directory: 'package-cache') (Installer mc goods: host port: 9000) (Installer mc magma: host port: 9000) ---- Installer more convenience methods for accessing repositories Installer squeaksource Installer ss Installer squeakfoundation Installer sf Installer impara Installer wiresong Installer gjallar Installer lr ---- did you know you can specifying a package with a string, an array or a block. e.g to install the latest version by a number of trusted developers. Installer squeaksource project: 'Installer' ; view: #( 'Installer-Core-kph' 'Installer-Core-edc' ) or more complex criteria can be handled by a detectBlock Installer squeaksource project: 'Installer' ; install: [ :packageName | ... ]

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Paid gjallar work!
by Göran Krampe 04 May '07

04 May '07

Howdy folks! Ok, the Gjallar project is in a "pinch" so to speak. Our customer wants to perform a "pilot" (or "duell" :)) and compare Gjallar with a commercial product (not exactly known which one yet) possibly as early as in june! Since we are a bit short on people and we want to throw in an *extra gear* during May and early june to meet this I am now "testing the waters" like this to see if there are one or two developers out there capable of helping me/us. If you have coded in Gjallar before that is of course a plus (just a few who have), otherwise good Squeak/Seaside/Magma knowledge is preferred. Mail me in private ASAP. regards, Göran PS. All work done will be released under the same license as Gjallar, new BSD.

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Gjallar roadmap
by Göran Krampe 04 May '07

04 May '07

Hi fellas! Ok, I thought we needed an open roadmap for Gjallar so I threw one in: http://www.gjallar.se/roadmap The stuff listed is based on our current priorities at Micronic. If anyone wants to chip in and help out and add more goals for any of the releases - just holler! Gjallar gets more and more interesting day by day. regards, Göran

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