Spoon February 2005

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re: Hey, a namespaces discussion! (and "Naiad" name announcement)
by Craig Latta 06 Mar '05

06 Mar '05

Hi Göran-- > Craig Latta wants ids and perhaps they would improve things... Just to clarify, I want to use object references within a single object memory, and UUIDs to refer to objects in other object memories. In Spoon, as far as the system is concerned (virtual machine, compiler, etc.), each class can have any name, so there is no need for namespaces per se. -C -- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist craig(a)netjam.org www.netjam.org [|] Proceed for Truth!

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new MacOS Spoon VM available
by Craig Latta 25 Feb '05

25 Feb '05

Hi-- With help from John McIntosh (thanks!), I built a new MacOS (Carbon) Spoon VM. Stéphane had pointed out that the previous one had very poor graphics performance (when running a snapshot with graphics support :). This one feels "normal" to me. There are no new Spoon VM changes here, so I'm not sure why the last one was so slow. http://www.netjam.org/spoon/releases/current/bits/MacOSSpoonVM.zip thanks, -C -- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist craig(a)netjam.org www.netjam.org [|] Proceed for Truth! -- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist craig(a)netjam.org www.netjam.org [|] Proceed for Truth!

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Spoon progress 22 February 2005: bi-directional remote message sending
by Craig Latta 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

Hi-- After a hiatus to work on a natural-language interpreter ("Quoth", premiered earlier this month at Transmediale in Berlin), I got back to the task of making the first Spoon modules. The very first one is a sort of "hello world" for graphics. It does this: *** Display fill: Display boundingBox rule: Form over fillColor: Color red *** Since my target, before loading the module, is headless without any graphics support at all (not even BitBLT or DisplayScreen, see http://www.netjam.org/spoon/notes/survivors for a list of the surviving classes), getting there is a bit of a wild ride. My plan is as follows: --- 1. implement bi-directional message sending Up until now, I'd just been sending remote messages *to* the headless system from a headful one (mostly system browsers ripping things out of the headless system). Now I want to send messages in both directions, so that I can... 2. make remote debugging work I could sorta limp along trapping messages not understood in the C debugger, but that has gotten tedious. :) Also, I'm pretty sure I'll want to be able to use a normal Smalltalk debugger to debug processes in the headless system from the headful one, to debug the inevitable initial glitches with... 3. imprinting onto the headless target So far my imprinting experiments have been between two headful systems (so that I could debug comfortably). Once this works with a headless system, I can... 4. imprint the "hello world for graphics" expression onto the headless system (creating a module for all the required behavior as a side-effect) Then I can... 5. run the "hello world for graphics" expression in the headless system (and transfer its module to other headless systems) --- Today I made part one work. I successfully sent a message from a headful system to a headless system, which answered the result of a message sent from the headless system to the headful system. It's an exciting step! thanks, -C -- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist craig(a)netjam.org www.netjam.org [|] Proceed for Truth!

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the name of Spoon's module system: "Naiad"
by Craig Latta 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi-- I've named Spoon's module system: "Naiad", which stands for "name and identity are distinct". Should make for more fun logos, as well as being another sorta-water-related name (joining Flow and Spoon). -C -- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist craig(a)netjam.org www.netjam.org [|] Proceed for Truth!

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About speed
by stéphane ducasse 14 Feb '05

14 Feb '05

Hi craig I play a bit with 1.8a and I had a simple naive question. Why mvc is that slow with spoon ? Stef

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