Squeakfoundation December 2002

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FreePAN: an opportunity to share repositories!
by Ned Konz 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Last night I attended (and spoke at) the Seattle Perl User's Group meeting. Also in attendance were Brian Ingerson and Michael Schwern of Portland. Before the meeting, I had a chance to talk with Brian Ingerson (more below). He's working on an interesting and relevant project. <sidelight> Though not the subject of the main talk, I soon found myself answering questions about Squeak (and doing some promotion <g>). There were several people in the crowd who were interested. After the meeting, we went to a pub for a beer or two. There I demonstrated Squeak to several interested people (note to self: get a good demo together to show to programmers). I think that with the right kind of introduction and modular system we could convert a bunch of Perl programmers. </sidelight> Anyway, one of the interesting ideas that came from this was from Brian. He's working on an alternative to CPAN (the popular Perl repository/mirror/registry system). I'll let him describe what he's doing (I just sent him an invitation to join this list), but in summary he's working on a repository/registry system with metadata. Currently he's making it handle Perl and Ruby; there's some interest in Python from Michael Schwern. Especially since we're also evolving the SqueakMap system, it might be useful to talk with him about joining SqueakMap with FreePAN in some way. This would provide a single set of mirrored repositories covering all our languages, with immediate exposure to the "scripting language" community. And it sounds like some of Göran's excellent work could be used with FreePAN (or at least inform it). Anyway, I thought I'd open this up to discussion, as it's a timely and relevant issue for both our communities. Ideas? -- Ned Konz http://bike-nomad.com GPG key ID: BEEA7EFE

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RE: Trouble with 5150UUID-fix
by Scott Wallace 03 Jan '03

03 Jan '03

I presume that the appropriate fix at this point is to publish the TimeStamp class, which is currently in the SqueakMap code, to the 3.4b update stream. Any objections? Cheers, -- Scott At 8:07 PM +0100 12/20/02, Andreas Raab wrote: >BTW, I just noticed that the standard UUIDGenerator>>makeSeed now uses >"TimeStamp" - a class which is not present in 3.4. > >Cheers, > - Andreas

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RE: [FIX] MoreWeakMsgSendFixes-nk
by Withers, Robert 30 Dec '02

30 Dec '02

Ned, I just got back from xmas break this weekend, so I wasn't able to answer, earlier. I loaded it and looked at the code. This looks fine to me. I recategorized three registration methods, <nitpik/> and republished your changeset, attached here. It would be nice to keep the action map minimal, as actions commit hari-kari, due to weak references disappearing. Currently only a re-registration will minimize the stored sequence. This should prolly be a 3.5 activity. cheers, rob > -----Original Message----- > From: Ned Konz [mailto:ned@bike-nomad.com] > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 9:07 PM > To: squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > Cc: Withers, Robert > Subject: Re: [FIX] MoreWeakMsgSendFixes-nk > > > I've just posted [FIX] MoreWeakMsgSendFixes-nk to the squeak-dev list. > > This needs to go into 3.4beta, since if you have an older action map > (with a MessageSend or an ActionSequence in it), a triggerEvent: will > cause a DNU. > > Apparently this was broken in CS 5005, and no one noticed it until > now. > > On the Squeak-dev list, Martin Drautzburg reported: > ----------- > MessageNotUnterstood: isReceiverOrAnyArgumentGa[rbage] (I cannot see > all of it) > > ActionSequence(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand > PasteUpMorph(Object)>>actionForEvent: > PasteUpMorph(Object)>>triggerEvent: > PasteUpMorph class >> shutDown > PasteUpMorph class (Behavior)>>shutDown: > ----------- > > Could someone look at the [FIX], please? > > Rob, does it look OK? > > Thanks, > -- > Ned Konz > http://bike-nomad.com > GPG key ID: BEEA7EFE >

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Re: [Squeakfoundation]FreePAN: an opportunity to share repositories!
by Daniel Vainsencher 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

Sounds like a great idea to me. I'm sure there are great ideas out there, and the cross polination with other communities will surely leave us stronger. Brian, I'd like to hear what you have in mind. Daniel Ned Konz <ned(a)bike-nomad.com> wrote: > Last night I attended (and spoke at) the Seattle Perl User's Group > meeting. Also in attendance were Brian Ingerson and Michael Schwern > of Portland. > > Before the meeting, I had a chance to talk with Brian Ingerson (more > below). He's working on an interesting and relevant project. > > <sidelight> > Though not the subject of the main talk, I soon found myself answering > questions about Squeak (and doing some promotion <g>). There were > several people in the crowd who were interested. > > After the meeting, we went to a pub for a beer or two. There I > demonstrated Squeak to several interested people (note to self: get a > good demo together to show to programmers). > > I think that with the right kind of introduction and modular system we > could convert a bunch of Perl programmers. > </sidelight> > > Anyway, one of the interesting ideas that came from this was from > Brian. > > He's working on an alternative to CPAN (the popular Perl > repository/mirror/registry system). I'll let him describe what he's > doing (I just sent him an invitation to join this list), but in > summary he's working on a repository/registry system with metadata. > Currently he's making it handle Perl and Ruby; there's some interest > in Python from Michael Schwern. Especially since we're also evolving > the SqueakMap system, it might be useful to talk with him about > joining SqueakMap with FreePAN in some way. This would provide a > single set of mirrored repositories covering all our languages, with > immediate exposure to the "scripting language" community. > > And it sounds like some of Göran's excellent work could be used with > FreePAN (or at least inform it). > > Anyway, I thought I'd open this up to discussion, as it's a timely and > relevant issue for both our communities. > > Ideas? > -- > Ned Konz > http://bike-nomad.com > GPG key ID: BEEA7EFE > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakfoundation mailing list > Squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeakfoundation

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Re: [FIX] MoreWeakMsgSendFixes-nk
by Ned Konz 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

I've just posted [FIX] MoreWeakMsgSendFixes-nk to the squeak-dev list. This needs to go into 3.4beta, since if you have an older action map (with a MessageSend or an ActionSequence in it), a triggerEvent: will cause a DNU. Apparently this was broken in CS 5005, and no one noticed it until now. On the Squeak-dev list, Martin Drautzburg reported: ----------- MessageNotUnterstood: isReceiverOrAnyArgumentGa[rbage] (I cannot see all of it) ActionSequence(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand PasteUpMorph(Object)>>actionForEvent: PasteUpMorph(Object)>>triggerEvent: PasteUpMorph class >> shutDown PasteUpMorph class (Behavior)>>shutDown: ----------- Could someone look at the [FIX], please? Rob, does it look OK? Thanks, -- Ned Konz http://bike-nomad.com GPG key ID: BEEA7EFE

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[FIX] minor VM fixes to 3.4
by Tim Rowledge 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

John McI alerted us to some small fixes needed to the 3.4 VM a while ago and after checking them out I think we ought to strongly consider squeezing them in. It's not that the bugs are major, which would normally be a prerequisite, but who they affect; it seems that fixing them would improve the reliability of Alan's demos. Given his recent indction to HP and the obvious goodness of him being able to a) demo well and b) point victims to a good set of systems to try for themselves, I think an easement is worth considering. Fixes attached. tim -- Tim Rowledge, tim(a)sumeru.stanford.edu, http://sumeru.stanford.edu/tim E Pluribus UNIX. begin 644 MorePluginTermination-JMM.1.cs.gz,f89 M'XL(`````````(U6VV[;1A!]Y@/_8:P^R`9L19*C)!+:HHY;M0K@1HT%]$%0 MBA4Y%-=:[K)[D>PB']_9Y46^)C$,V-R9G9ES9GB&W:E6!5S_ZY!MSWO##2L* M!BJ#P0(a)^,.F8OH-AOS^$I6`6C057IO3/!'YX/1Z<KT!)&,.%VS@R!3]F83"8 M#-].1N?`BNY1W+G,F=P@7*.=1-&5TC@7;L/E`G7!);-<R;,/5U?QKSYL%$4/ MPL47SN9*^_,;E<LBX;^8@@EAF=@F2AHG+)>;7J**.-[G*&&/H)T$9H#!6JN] M00UER.=-$C$%JV`KU1Z"/SW8NA`$FR-P2<\E%(QN"*7*'BQR;H!^4R41UG>0 MY)AL*2MER`2C/S*E6SL5SGRNF5SP`A?J$UJG*6_.DQS62$6B+^N2@B=:^=3< M&%>EU<&W3K9G=38BDPAF5`B%=I(0I]P3Q@3<N*(\!:4!;S%Q_M!WC1'$/11( MI*4]^$/M<4<$$!2?(V$&B06-=;L]*)X*/`T0E!1W%0-T!*56"1J#`3DQ*@G< MJ3=7H>RA>9"HE,)R(4`JZWT]"LJ24:MA1F#)S`A%VM:>4`=]48%K.O@M0,`_ M<7\5*O?4I*JJV9,-++,!1DTRH_)X0=%V6#.6"&22>NO*@-)X+G)'KC72:@0, M<9A2(&7.;CM'<1P?S4*WB7PZK5@S4QHWZ%*K#*.I-4B4RTT7C&5%208:57CW M:OPJ#/N@/SD?TXR_!"2.OE#O".Z<ZIU1[EOX$D<&149@!)?T'EGML!?'T2.W M?PX0PT'OB<?/T(^CB&<+"C"!Y?$3\W`T\HTEVR/3CS`:]E<G=/O>_<ZLQE"/ M(A5H[(YITPE^T9/T/\'PS>O:5D>IGY:?H89819PK(FX0AF?N3-ZX1=%Q<,O0 M)OE<!>_)([K.#CG\C\H^KF\PL9.'":XM2[8+59ZLVGJF3)A#04_`>>VP3-J7 MT!&XT1MHR?D,D@OH5+@ZJ][+E][>O_15%D+G"<[7HKW[_FB9!_R-<./O#T=X M[P?[EOMQ:]Z@KGKT,7NFF8.3U2J^WR&(EN$JWE:1^7\XF]/47L^;U,'<O@R? MT)34.WQ@;<IZYK)+O(Q-O4XWV)MY6G;^]G)6*P3IEGEN;9P"MU#X?708':N5 M")N#!*KU1LU5RKVTW=6B9'+E1%HI>5#7?2.?-'NT;DBC@L0YK5%:LM<ZVY1D M<XTL]0)L6(9D-Y8D-6WD7`6:(4=&BX`%H6Y5GA:']264_K7JP367"58GE<H% MZ0\*E`95AT;ONM72FM)'0:N-7>_-$NL\MOL++&<-*Z:E)?.?$X=%2N;CDR;I M(\K"?4^8QV1[S:L8_8X2-1'TOO*K/A?:MATDJYJ,IPOWH<,S@%;M7$?AS5[Y M@SCJ\"RLL';8PGYMG^(a)5X\+S153P7?.]4$'KQ`\G\:)V:3=!B%\ML\P'5<;P MM:A9TJZTQO<,&7TI4--%V#N/@_[E>+*]]#%H1\W:B[WX"&B9_0]%5P73R0D` !`*A9 ` end begin 644 vmparameterTo25-JMM.1.cs.gz,f89 M'XL("%L+C3T``W9M<&%R86UE=&5R5&\R-2U*34TN,2YC<P"E6%%/VT@0?O9# M_L/`/4"D0F,G@>)K*UV1N*-2CNI`W`.BU<99)UMLKV]WG903/_YFUG&R,7;@ MTA<4=K_Y9G9VYAO;!Q=*IG#]3\'90_\XF+(T92!C$?PF64%4X\0]'H!W"7, M<&V@R"?X(X1?!F=^_QYD!H$/USPW/!US56*9@6'H#T+_#/+T8*_3V;O,#%>Y MXO@74FYF<J(OI`KA0)H9+N5*I,*(.=<'H`U+<]SY/!K!V=O`?VLI_5,D1*H5 M\G;TA2F6$F/'V__$9VPN9*%@PG.>330%QM2T2'EF())%9L*.Y_5H38<>!E(H M!&3PFU+LD<Y[.X*\(H0Y2PJN?T4+GRQ6!A(a)LB&PB(DS!9,.$L,&277-CD;B_ M!J^0QQW/-=1HQ"$K*'L(8QIBF21RH2E>W\.S4'0RF1SIG$4<#GM'8Z;YY`TH MSB9',DL>N^2[0C[B6:<5=@/2KR`I3R5>Z^;NP&/H%F,5,CNG?-7VA\Z^AC$W M"\XS^/U<+W$+)0PGX(FG"S47<ZG*O(/A6:%$-L6<**YG>)2ZR:D7%TEBR;3( M,'"L`66*O!;".\](PQ)(19((S2-)]RPR>)7QF8>;BE,]L)?1?J_%U_\B\3U[ M=JXIZS8KF`4Y_LXC\X)E<!3T0.<\$K&(P$A;3T:Q3&,;$LOMB"[=]Y24F&$V M3I!*_%N_\B!P`7+.54REM=5WT/?&CZ:,F?]`GU6]8!1X%*[F'$M4476/BSC& M"GX#>5),188_N(F..T0R$96,^3&&%)8S+!>IDHNUDE85^+">AY61NM*86., M&FU%-`,]PS)Z:#'O>']*TJ6;&<L>-`5[B>W]110I'I+9B,U,Z+74'.^CS1-Q ME,VHK11<4Q+1>9$8ZF9J8/X#GCH4&7P#S9,8HG/)582^5HE!N1*9.<#6K@`3 MW#XX0//K%/L&J^4AA+N2HW>/N$J;RE;[`#T0\8TJT.H.,U$/Z!L$0S3REH$M MX\",&Y89@?IRGC"M0SBTZSI/KL;?0["+EJ1;GH.J@/C"^HF/K3;2.>J>C\"' MB20M\NY"`4^E9VVDXG]+-0E!8)U<V>L(J[PMA)G=DH)6`6%N^)2K$G85A]#K M4(a)Z\.E?/VX'+"MXUE3(&BQGN-C'[WB[4L>+\$XK>PQ;F8!=B%.*K>%163SMU M?Q?JFHHW$@]^CEA_*M4?]:^1?K@+?34E;JK6;Z0^V84:N\1<X(QHB_?TYTA' MUSQJ)GZW*_$E3IFV:,]^CK0]6G^G]B/FFW+*-??'3JPTM6Y(KMJ+&(??CN'^ M59%?50.QV<%NK4TC\W94-G<S[TY]70Z_[=T1[-38-)/_6$[I-6TN\2'<I^>. M[$NA9Q4?[7_-1')/8YX&Y+=J(K#HX4;FN+]THR]=1R%-4QQ#\05+-$VYKZ67 M:AI?,,OI4BX#M<%;`5+3AL'IKP>G!_OT)+/Q7+Z/\1X2Z7M$TAO''?WS$>?I M?7=MV1*,C>8##8\5<C6!ZV/'P0=-^-HL<>#])OBS">$8#)H,:KKOP(?;X8Z: M.T8G34;/--HQ.&TR<)37@;[;#K4*Y<#/VN!+E71OJK<=6Z?V&Z_6D32+/;0% M]!'A01??&2?+(GJ/-]USJVA%T'.+H='%IKZY\,;B:58MUZRYB%PM<M&-%513 M&!<_A`:\JQOWF[H1.+K1IO"6IKNA)_OVC1!8O8/K/1^\K"/E<[LK3DL1]-L5 MRMJ\0J,VN.LJ93=7H/<;3_8M?+J((J[U1<)(^V)ROB+`]MUX,]C>P/;*FC;( MP,IGS9E!XGO'V4FSLV>-3TS/%E_K).@W>]DH5Z+96'@U^Z"9O5;>575_7%\0 MP;T:;.VUR>V&WY:+<MNDS:F+>=FCN^RZ7/=?__7]!S0T[<<M.JW]\$4S\RM4 D3?F\9LF&&</3W'Z*P%?MJF]7'Q+<]MV#O4[G/Q?]!=YG%``` ` end

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Re: [FIX] ProjectArchiveFixes-nk
by Ned Konz 21 Dec '02

21 Dec '02

I just posted [FIX] ProjectArchiveFixes-nk to the squeak-dev list. I'd like someone to look it over. I've (minimally) tested project loading and saving (with SketchMorphs read from JPEGs) on Windows, Linux, and Mac OSX, and have also verified that you can load and extract zips using the ArchiveViewer. I think this should go into 3.4beta ASAP once it's looked at, as otherwise project loading and saving is going to be broken on Win/Mac systems. -- Ned Konz http://bike-nomad.com GPG key ID: BEEA7EFE

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Re: [Squeakfoundation]defineClass fix!
by Daniel Vainsencher 20 Dec '02

20 Dec '02

Hi, two motherboards and a powersupply later, I'm back. Since we're not happy with any current proposal, and it's late in beta, regardless of what the eventual fix is, I vote to back out, and mull it over 3.5. Daniel Doug Way <dway(a)riskmetrics.com> wrote: > > Ian Piumarta wrote: > > > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2002 goran.hultgren(a)bluefish.se wrote: > > > > > Aha, ok - the idea is that it gives you a proper "inform" instad of > > > "Nothing more expected ->" if you start entering a method without first > > > selecting a method category. If I understood it correctly. > > > > Didn't this used to (way back yonder) create a new protocol (or add to an > > existing protocol) called "as yet unclassified" for methods entered while > > "--all--" is selected? What happened to that? (Or did I simply dream > > that this was the case, in some kind of "perverse hacker nightmare"?) > > This was changed awhile ago so that you could see the class template and the class' list of methods at the same time, when selecting a class in the browser. > > See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/squeak/message/52761 for more background. > > I could go either way with either using Goran's fix, or just backing out Torge's enhancement. Goran said he'd vote to back out the enhancement, so maybe we should just do that. > > To me, the situation before Torge's enhancement wasn't all that bad... if I see the class template in the browser text pane, I know that I won't be able to accept a method there. Maybe post-3.4, we could make things more newbie-friendly by adding "define class" and "add method" menu items in the appropriate browser menus, which would somehow steer people in the right direction (while still preserving the existing ways of defining classes & adding methods, of course). > > - Doug > _______________________________________________ > Squeakfoundation mailing list > Squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeakfoundation

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Cleanup needed on squeak.org
by Ned Konz 19 Dec '02

19 Dec '02

Can we purge references to 3.3a files at http://www.squeak.org/download/index.html and instead point to the 3.4beta/gamma? -- Ned Konz http://bike-nomad.com GPG key ID: BEEA7EFE

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defineClass fix!
by goran.hultgren＠bluefish.se 18 Dec '02

18 Dec '02

I just posted a small fix on the list that we need to include in 3.4 right away - otherwise you can't change the class definition on the class side! Which seems bad. ;-) The bug was introduced by Torge's 5137 fix. regards, Göran

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