Squeakfoundation August 2001

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The Natives are Restless
by Dan Ingalls 12 Jan '02

12 Jan '02

Folks - Speaking as one who wants to see SqF take advantage of the community urge for a truly open Squeak, I have some concern for the pace of bringing SqF into existence. What I see is the Stable Squeak experiment reaching completion in not much more time than we have spent deliberating over the definition of SqF, and a number of people who *would support* an SqF looking elsewhere for it when it is right under their nose. Why? Because we haven't yet declared the existence of SqF. With no disrespect for the goals or even the process represented by the dialog on this list so far, what I'm wondering is: Why wait for all the chaordic process and exact definitions to declare the existence of SqF? Instead, why not Declare that SqF exists, Appoint a number of "acting" officers Declare a couple of active projects one of which is to converge on a more formal def of the organization I think I could even raise a few $$ to carry us through the interim period As token "Old Fart" I'm willing to be put in any role. I'll even appoint myself and everybody else if no one wants to do this. And I'll make up a project list (you can guess from prior messages). That doesn't sound very democratic ("open"), but I'm just wanting to "jump-start" the organization so that it can be accreting respect and definition while it is still being born, and so that we can channel the open Squeak urges into a coherent future, rather than fighting fires on the Squeak mail list and dissipating energy in twenty splinter efforts. What do others feel? - Dan PS: This may sound critical, but I don't feel that way at all. I'm happy with the current participants and process. I just feel the need for an interim solution.

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Time to shut down separate SqF list?
by Henrik Gedenryd 11 Aug '01

11 Aug '01

By now at least half of all traffic to the SqF list consists of posts that should really be on the main list, plus replies telling the poster so. I have asked, and most of the times this has been because the SqF address is what people found and therefore they used that. I think this hints us that there is little chance of avoiding 'misposts'. Also, we already noted that it's also impractical to have SqF discussion separated from the main list. Thirdly, the SqF traffic is very low. I therefore simply propose that we shut down the SqF list and in the future simply have SqF discussions over on the main list, with proper tags and topic names. Henrik

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Active processes
by Henry.Bygott＠Colorado.EDU 11 Aug '01

11 Aug '01

I have code that sets up a process to work in the backround. However I get the feeling that when the program crashes it isn't ending its processes, so that when I re-init I get 2 identical processes. They step on each other's toes and everything goes to hell (At least I think thats whats happening ;). Is there a way to view all active processes and shut them down (Tried ProcessBrowser open, but ProcessBrowser was unknown). Better yet, is there a way to close all non-system processes, so that anything that I did gets killed and squeak keeps running? I'm not sure i'm going to be able to recognize whats a lost process and whats a system process... Thanks in advance, Kyle

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XML UI Builder
by Timothy Reaves 09 Aug '01

09 Aug '01

Is this still an active project? Will it have a GUI builder, or must every GUI be hand written? If the later, where is the benefit? Thanks!

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RE: [Squeakfoundation]FW: Help on 16r57 issue when printing
by John Bratby 02 Aug '01

02 Aug '01

Hi Doug, Thanks for the update - much appreciated. The problem I have is that the next version is going to be written in Delphi, and my MD is reluctant to shell out that sort of cash for an issue which will be resolved during the move to Delphi. Many thanks again. Regards, John -----Original Message----- From: Doug Way [mailto:dway@riskmetrics.com] Sent: 01 August 2001 16:00 To: squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Squeakfoundation]FW: Help on 16r57 issue when printing Um, this list is for discussing organizational issues of the Squeak Foundation, not answering technical questions (especially non-Squeak ones). You'd probably have better luck asking your question on the comp.lang.smalltalk newsgroup. (Ah, I just saw that you did post on comp.lang.smalltalk, and you did get some partial answers to your VSE-related problem.) Anyway, based on your question, I'd suggest hiring someone who really knows VSE on a short-term/contract basis. - Doug Way dway(a)riskmetrics.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Squeakfoundation]FW: Help on 16r57 issue when printing Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 14:53:17 +0100 From: John Bratby <John.Bratby(a)enterprisemodeller.com> Reply-To: squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org To: "'squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org'" <squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Dear Sir/Madam, I work for a company called BiT Limited, we are a complete software solution company and we have designed a piece of software which runs using Smalltalk architecture. We have however run into some issues with regards to printing. I am however unable to resolve these issues and I am using yourself among others as a last point of contact with regards to this matter. The problem I am having is that we are due to release a new version of our software, but we cannot print models which contain Icons (bitmaps which when clicked on spark scripts which perform various tasks). This issue is however only apparent when you try to print from either Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows ME to any printer either local or networked. The issue is not apparent on an NT or 2K O/S's. I am out of ideas so any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have registered for support with yourselves today but this matter is very urgent and I would appreciate your views greatly. Even if you can tell me which Dll's are affected in each OS when printing. A copy of the error message or the error.log file can be forwarded upon request. I look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks, John Bratby Business Integration Technologies Ltd. Rookery House Rookery Lane Stoke Bruerne NN12 7SJ United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1604 864765 Fax: +44 (0)1604 864735 Registered No. 2654224, VAT No. GB-566066622 Email: john.bratby(a)enterprisemodeller.com www.enterprisemodeller.com This message is confidential; its contents do not constitute a commitment by Business Integration Technologies Limited except where provided for in a written agreement between you and Business Integration Technologies Limited. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _______________________________________________ Squeakfoundation mailing list Squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeakfoundation _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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FW: Help on 16r57 issue when printing
by John Bratby 01 Aug '01

01 Aug '01

Dear Sir/Madam, I work for a company called BiT Limited, we are a complete software solution company and we have designed a piece of software which runs using Smalltalk architecture. We have however run into some issues with regards to printing. I am however unable to resolve these issues and I am using yourself among others as a last point of contact with regards to this matter. The problem I am having is that we are due to release a new version of our software, but we cannot print models which contain Icons (bitmaps which when clicked on spark scripts which perform various tasks). This issue is however only apparent when you try to print from either Windows 95, Windows 98 or Windows ME to any printer either local or networked. The issue is not apparent on an NT or 2K O/S's. I am out of ideas so any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated. I have registered for support with yourselves today but this matter is very urgent and I would appreciate your views greatly. Even if you can tell me which Dll's are affected in each OS when printing. A copy of the error message or the error.log file can be forwarded upon request. I look forward to hearing from you. Many thanks, John Bratby Business Integration Technologies Ltd. Rookery House Rookery Lane Stoke Bruerne NN12 7SJ United Kingdom Tel: +44 (0)1604 864765 Fax: +44 (0)1604 864735 Registered No. 2654224, VAT No. GB-566066622 Email: john.bratby(a)enterprisemodeller.com <http://www.enterprisemodeller.com/> www.enterprisemodeller.com This message is confidential; its contents do not constitute a commitment by Business Integration Technologies Limited except where provided for in a written agreement between you and Business Integration Technologies Limited. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of the message, please notify the sender immediately. _____________________________________________________________________ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service.

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Squeakfoundation August 2001