Squeakfoundation June 2002

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Idea to get money in Squeak community
by Stephane Ducasse 18 Jun '02

18 Jun '02

Hi Right now even if we want to give money to Squeak we cannot. There is no place where I can support Squeak by paying a kind of shareware fee or even to get a CD with all the Squeak material. In the school of my wife they are paying around 1000 $ for office and they don't use it so I do not see why they would not like to get a good cd with the major release on it. This is the same here at the University we could support Squeak but at least there should be a way to give money. I hope that ESUG will not lose money this year and that we will be able to give the purcentage we promised to Squeak. But at the minimum we need to be able to do that. I'm fed up to see that people are afraid to make money with Squeak because this could be a problem for SqueakC. Alan said it was not. So are the German Squeakers in the mood to get money? I can send you the cd with all the material I collected. Tansel what are your plans? Stef Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes

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[Modules] mailing list and activities
by danielv＠netvision.net.il 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

For those who got to wondering about that strange quietness in module land - About a week ago I tried to compile a shopping list of stuff we still need to make modules. I mailed some people that had shown some sort of interest. Anyway, this became a fast and furious discussion, that became a mailing list at sqmodules(a)lists.advantive.com, courtesy of Stephen Pair. I thought this was a good time to announce it here, because some people were asking questions. So anyone seriously interested in module, and not minding the smoke, sparks and rough edges of really raw code is invited to join. A bit about what's going on - Andreas Raab has convinced us that it'd be better to move to strong modules now, mostly in order to simplify the code and the mental model of how things should work. This requires some major changes to the tool set, and he's just released a first version of a module aware browser. This includes nice support for automatically keeping track of dependencies. Stephen Pair and I thought up a nice and simple way of passing around the names of modules for people to load - just make it a Url. Select something like loadmodule:/People/dvf/GraphAlgorithms in any text pane, bring up the menu, url-it, and that's it, you have a module. I'll post that here soon. Stephen Pair's selectors spaces are also a hot topic of discussion, and he's been refining the ideas and working out an implementation, to help round out modules later. If you want more detail, and especially if you're already working on modules (CraigL, Torge,you there?) you're welcome to read the archives and join us there. Note that traffic's been somewhat heavy lately. Of course whenever something's ready for prime time, things will be presented here. The original reason for the separate discussion was that modules were not popular and not easily popularized. When modules become a little more mainstream, the discussion should probably return to squeak-dev. Daniel

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ESUG'2002 Call for Participation
by Stephane Ducasse 17 Jun '02

17 Jun '02

The European Smalltalk User Group (www.esug.org) invites you to the Smalltalk Joint Event 10th ESUG Smalltalk Conference & 2nd Smalltalk Doctoral Symposium Tuesday, August 27, - Friday, August 30, 2002 & Camp Smalltalk Saturday, August 24 - Monday, August 26, 2002 Douai, France http://www.esug.org/summerschools/2002_Douai/index.htm (the final program and the registration process will be ready for the end of June) GENERAL INFORMATION For the 10th consecutive year, the European Smalltalk User Group is organizing a Smalltalk Conference to bring together Smalltalk users from both academia and industry in a friendly atmosphere. As always, the attendents will enjoy tutorials, workshops and demonstrations on various Smalltalk related subjects. Continuing a strong tradition in organizing Smalltalk events for Smalltalk developers, this year promises to be very exciting. All these exciting events will take place in the last week of August, at the Ecole des Mines de Douai in Douai, France (1h30 away from Brussels by car and 1h10 away from Paris by train). The Conference takes place at Douai in France. Early information can be found at www.esug.org or at http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr:8000/esug2002/1. ESUG organizes a Smalltalk Joint Event comprised of: Camp Smalltalk, Smalltalk Conference, a Free Software Day, a Teachers Forum and Smalltalk Doctoral Symposium! - An official (and free) Camp Smalltalk (notice that it starts on the saturday before so that Campers can be productive and stay during the week). ESUG will sponsor the food. - The Smalltalk Doctoral Symposium, where students doing Master and PhD theses have the opportunity to present and discuss their research work with industrial and academic Smalltalk experts. - Finally the Advanced Seminars: Similar to last year, we will offer two tracks: invited talks which should interest everyone, and the technical presentations, which are more specicalized. Dave Thomas (the OTI founder) and Dave Simmons (SmallScript creator) are the keynotes speakers This year: - a free Software day will be organized around GnuSmalltalk, PocketSmalltalk, and Squeak (contact Serge.Stinckwich(a)info.unicaen.fr) . - a Teachers Forum will be organized to share teaching experiences. We are looking for experience reports. We are looking for teachers to report their experiences using Smalltalk (contact ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch) - ESUG will support the Squeak Foundation by donating 10% of its benefits. Exhibitors or sponsors should directly contact Stephane Ducasse (ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch) or Roel Wuyts (wuyts(a)iam.unibe.ch) for more information. The conference fees has been lower to their minimum: 300 Eur for companies and 150 € for academics. The hosting will be excellent with internet connection in the rooms: accomodation: 50 or 60 € per night (site on progress: http://www.esug.org/summerschools/2002_Douai/registration.htm) IMPORTANT DATES Early registration: 15 of July (Please register yearly so that we can prepare ESUG) The organizing commitee Dr. Stéphane DUCASSE (ducasse(a)iam.unibe.ch) http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes

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RE: [Modules] mailing list and activities
by danielv＠netvision.net.il 16 Jun '02

16 Jun '02

Hmm, sorry about that. To join, see http://lists.advantive.com/listinfo/sqmodules Daniel PhiHo Hoang <phiho.hoang(a)rogers.com> wrote: > > Daniel, > > > > you're welcome to read the archives and join us there. > > Where is 'there' :-) > > > So anyone seriously interested in module, and not minding the smoke, > > sparks and rough edges of really raw code is invited to join. > > I sent a request to subscribe to sqmodules(a)lists.advantive.com > and am waiting for approval. > > Thanks for your efforts. > > Cheers, > > PhiHo. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: squeak-dev-admin(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > [mailto:squeak-dev-admin@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > danielv(a)netvision.net.il > Sent: Saturday, June 15, 2002 6:31 PM > To: squeakfoundation(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org; > squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > Subject: [Modules] mailing list and activities > > > For those who got to wondering about that strange quietness in module > land - > > About a week ago I tried to compile a shopping list of stuff we still > need to make modules. I mailed some people that had shown some sort of > interest. Anyway, this became a fast and furious discussion, that became > a mailing list at sqmodules(a)lists.advantive.com, courtesy of Stephen > Pair. > > I thought this was a good time to announce it here, because some people > were asking questions. So anyone seriously interested in module, and not > minding the smoke, sparks and rough edges of really raw code is invited > to join. > > A bit about what's going on - > Andreas Raab has convinced us that it'd be better to move to strong > modules now, mostly in order to simplify the code and the mental model > of how things should work. This requires some major changes to the tool > set, and he's just released a first version of a module aware browser. > This includes nice support for automatically keeping track of > dependencies. > > Stephen Pair and I thought up a nice and simple way of passing around > the names of modules for people to load - just make it a Url. Select > something like loadmodule:/People/dvf/GraphAlgorithms in any text pane, > bring up the menu, url-it, and that's it, you have a module. I'll post > that here soon. > > Stephen Pair's selectors spaces are also a hot topic of discussion, and > he's been refining the ideas and working out an implementation, to help > round out modules later. > > If you want more detail, and especially if you're already working on > modules (CraigL, Torge,you there?) you're welcome to read the archives > and join us there. Note that traffic's been somewhat heavy lately. > > Of course whenever something's ready for prime time, things will be > presented here. > > The original reason for the separate discussion was that modules were > not popular and not easily popularized. When modules become a little > more mainstream, the discussion should probably return to squeak-dev. > > Daniel

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[Modules] Offering Help
by Giovanni Giorgi 15 Jun '02

15 Jun '02

Hi all! I am a "veteran" Squeak fan (I have used squeak since 2.x and even before, when morphing was composed by only 2-3 small "Play with me"). I have worked a lot in this two month, so I cannot follow the discussion about modules. I have read the sad email of Henrik Gedenryd and I think modules are very important. I am a young software eng. (I got my Master Thesis in the 2000) and I think Squeak could be used even for commercial software, if we provide some basic tools. And Modules are one of this vital tools. Best, the Harverster will have an easy life with the module engine. Maybe I am wrong, but Squeak has a lot of fantastic feature, but it doesn't have some vital libraries compared to lanugage as Python and Java and Perl: we need to organize our classes for having a faster growth of them. Is someone still working on the module engine? I'd like to offer my help for going on to finish the module engine. I have my job, but I hope to give to the little free(ware) mouse some hours of my week ;) So, who must I do? I am reading the modules pages on the swiki... Ciao ciao! -- // Giovanni Giorgi First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. // Then they fight you. Then you win // http://objectsroot.com Mahatma Ghandi

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Re: [Squeakfoundation]How are you
by Giovanni Giorgi 14 Jun '02

14 Jun '02

Is the Squeak foundation dead? How are you?! Ciao ciao! -- // Giovanni Giorgi First, they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. // Then they fight you. Then you win // http://objectsroot.com Mahatma Ghandi

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How are you
by billn 08 Jun '02

08 Jun '02

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