cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot) writes:
Is that OK with everybody?
NO! Cees I'm usually a fan but I think hard work has softened your brain here. :-) We don't need another squeakfoundation list at this point.
Thanks for your labours on our behalf, regards, -Simon
Simon Michael wrote:
cg@cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot) writes:
Is that OK with everybody?
NO! Cees I'm usually a fan but I think hard work has softened your brain here. :-) We don't need another squeakfoundation list at this point.
Well, I think having a separate semi-private list is reasonable for SqF participants to use to coordinate nuts-and-bolts SqF work.
Semi-private meaning only those with a well-defined role in the SqF can post to it, but everyone can read it, as Cees mentioned.
The important thing is that no one should feel excluded from volunteering for the SqF if he/she has something concrete to contribute. But I think it's reasonable to restrict posting access to a working list to those who have specifically volunteered to do something.
This list can still be around for anyone to use for brainstorming and public announcements. On the other hand, you could argue that we don't really need two SqF lists plus the squeak-dev list... the brainstorming and announcements could happen on the squeak-dev list, and we could get rid of this public Sqf list. I could go either way on that.
My 2 cents,
- Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com
Doug Way dway@riskmetrics.com said:
This list can still be around for anyone to use for brainstorming and public announcements. On the other hand, you could argue that we don't really need two SqF lists plus the squeak-dev list... the brainstorming and announcements could happen on the squeak-dev list, and we could get rid of this public Sqf list. I could go either way on that.
We'd probably need to take a vote on that. Here's how I see the three lists coexisting happily together: - squeak-dev: technology, development of Squeak; futurology, where Squeak should be headed. - squeakfoundation: organizational matters, politics, etcetera. Here, for example, is where we probably will discuss proposed bylaws for the Foundation. - sqf-formation: for 'SqF officials' to exchange working mails - which would otherwise go through private email with 10 people on the To: list - in order to have a public archive of what's going on (in that respect, I'm proposing to open things up rather than close them down, because a lot until now has been done through private emails with long To: lists).
My experience is that a lot of people don't care for SqF, they shy away from mailing lists with lots of politics, so therefore the second list. It has been sleeping for a couple of months, but go to the archives of when it just started and imagine that stuff all happening on the squeak-dev list...
And the third list is just a sort of 'auto archiver' list, not a real discussion list. If there's a general disapproval I'm more than happy to remove it but the effect will be that half of the mails that should've gone there will go through private email. I think it's neat to have an archive of this...
cg@home.cdegroot.com (Cees de Groot) writes:
- squeak-dev: technology, development of Squeak; futurology, where Squeak should be headed.
- squeakfoundation: organizational matters, politics, etcetera. Here, for example, is where we probably will discuss proposed bylaws for the Foundation.
- sqf-formation: for 'SqF officials' to exchange working mails - which would otherwise go through private email with 10 people on the To: list - in order to have a public archive of what's going on (in that respect, I'm proposing to open things up rather than close them down, because a lot until now has been done through private emails with long To: lists).
Hi Cees,
volunteers certainly get to do what they think best, but I'm afraid I don't follow your thinking here at all. squeakfoundation is currently idle, it's established and public and IMHO it is just the place to bring all the sqf issues you mention above - at this stage at least. I advocate splitting mailing lists as late as possible.
Just my 2c, -Simon
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