On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 09:03:22AM +0200, Stephane Ducasse wrote:
But for now an association would work perfectly, I guess that an association in germany acts as a group of people that do not have the intention to make money but can manage it. So right now this would be perfect. I prefer to see an association that a non exisiting foundation.
Hi all,
Sorry for not answering earlier... but we had to discuss this on the squeak-ev list first.
So... maybe I start with
What we did ------------
We're in the process of setting up a non-profit association in Germany. This association will be a legal entity (like a Person or a Company) after it gets registered (than we are a "e.V" which es a "registered association"). This will take some time because both the Tax Authorities and the local Court are involved in the process.
The bylaws of the association were discussed on the squeak-ev list for some time, and then some of us (exactly 7, required by law) met at LinuxTag and signed them. There is a nice photo at http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeak-ev/34
The bylaws are pretty standard for this kind of german association (Verein) (We copied them from ADA Germany e.V. and then modified them for our purpose). The bylaws are very much like a constitution for the association: They contain first a set of goals (What do we want to do?) and then the bylaws define the structure (simple: board of three (First, Second, Treasurer), and how these get elected and how to remove them if they do strange things. The elected board is: 1. Marcus Denker, 2. Markus Gaelli, Treasurer: Hans Beck.
Members are required to pay a membership-fee. (Euro 0 (younger than 18y, 10 (Students), 30 (normal) and 200 (corporations) per year)
Have a look at the Babelfish translation: http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fswiki.squeakfoundat.... +org%2Fsqueak-ev%2F20&lp=de_en&tt=url&urltext=&doit=done) pretty funny translation, but better than nothing.
So the whole thing is as simple as possible and *very* flexible. We can simply do what we want and build further structures on the way. ("Do the simplest thing that could possibly work").
Ok. Now
What we *are* ------------- We consider the german association to be local thing. We discussed this on the squeak-ev list, and we think that "morphing" squeak-ev into that what squeakfoundation is planed to be would not be good. Being local instead of global has some implications... Our idea for squeak-ev was to do something small, but *do* it.
We agreed on the following:
1) We are not yet registered. Nothing will happen until we are. 2) We consider ourself to be a local organisation. 3) We would like to help building structures to support Squeak, both global and european. 4) Because there is no squeakfoundation yet, we are willing to take donations as soon as we are registered. We garantee that this money will be used according to our statutes.
So... back to you suggestion: It seems to be a good idea to put together a CD for companies and universities to buy (and thus contributing to the further development of squeak).
Other things to consider would be
T-shirts: http://www.jinxhackwear.com Affero: http://www.affero.com/ (this seems to be a realy interesting idea)
Marcus
Hi Marcus,
Thanks for the picture. It's nice to see the faces.
Just one little thing, can you show who is who.
Thanks,
PhiHo.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" marcus@ira.uka.de To: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 4:03 PM Subject: Re: Idea to get money in Squeak community
On Wed, Jun 19, 2002 at 09:03:22AM +0200, Stephane Ducasse wrote:
But for now an association would work perfectly, I guess that an association in germany acts as a group of people that do not have the intention to make money but can manage it. So right now this would be perfect. I prefer to see an association that a non exisiting foundation.
Hi all,
Sorry for not answering earlier... but we had to discuss this on the squeak-ev list first.
So... maybe I start with
What we did
We're in the process of setting up a non-profit association in Germany. This association will be a legal entity (like a Person or a Company) after it gets registered (than we are a "e.V" which es a "registered
association").
This will take some time because both the Tax Authorities and the local Court are involved in the process.
The bylaws of the association were discussed on the squeak-ev list for some time, and then some of us (exactly 7, required by law) met at LinuxTag and signed them. There is a nice photo at http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeak-ev/34
The bylaws are pretty standard for this kind of german association
(Verein)
(We copied them from ADA Germany e.V. and then modified them for our purpose). The bylaws are very much like a constitution for the
association:
They contain first a set of goals (What do we want to do?) and then the bylaws define the structure (simple: board of three (First, Second, Treasurer), and how these get elected and how to remove them if they do strange things. The elected board is: 1. Marcus Denker, 2. Markus Gaelli, Treasurer: Hans Beck.
Members are required to pay a membership-fee. (Euro 0 (younger than 18y,
10
(Students), 30 (normal) and 200 (corporations) per year)
Have a look at the Babelfish translation:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?url=http%3A%2F%2Fswiki.squeakfoundat ion.
+org%2Fsqueak-ev%2F20&lp=de_en&tt=url&urltext=&doit=done) pretty funny translation, but better than nothing.
So the whole thing is as simple as possible and *very* flexible. We can simply do what we want and build further structures on the way. ("Do the simplest thing that could possibly work").
Ok. Now
What we *are*
We consider the german association to be local thing. We discussed this on the squeak-ev list, and we think that "morphing" squeak-ev into that what squeakfoundation is planed to be would not be good. Being local instead of global has some implications... Our idea for squeak-ev was to do something small, but *do* it.
We agreed on the following:
- We are not yet registered. Nothing will happen until we are.
- We consider ourself to be a local organisation.
- We would like to help building structures to support Squeak, both global and european.
- Because there is no squeakfoundation yet, we are willing to take donations as soon as we are registered. We garantee that this money will be used according to our statutes.
So... back to you suggestion: It seems to be a good idea to put together a CD for companies and universities to buy (and thus contributing to the further development of squeak).
Other things to consider would be
T-shirts: http://www.jinxhackwear.com Affero: http://www.affero.com/ (this seems to be a realy interesting
idea)
Marcus
-- Marcus Denker marcus@ira.uka.de -- Squeak! http://squeakland.org
Marcus,
That's what I guessed. I used Andreas as the pivot to sort it out but there were 7 names and only 6 faces. That's why I had to ask, I guessed Karsten is the photographer ;-)
Let's hope grassroot movements like this will spring up elsewhere as well.
Then when the muddy water on the SqF front settled, let's hope that these will become the local chapters for SqueakFoundation.
Let's see what the grassroot movements can do _for_ Squeak. It seems to me that our poor little Mouse is very much confused and dizzy. Totally lost its directions.
Best wishes,
PhiHo.
P.S: Hi Robert, nice to see you.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcus Denker" marcus@ira.uka.de To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Squeakfoundation]Re: Idea to get money in Squeak community
On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 11:03:05AM -0400, PhiHo Hoang wrote:
Hi Marcus,
Thanks for the picture. It's nice to see the faces. Just one little thing, can you show who is who.
From left to right:
Robert Hirschfeld Markus Gaelli Felix Franz Andreas Raab Marcus Denker Hans Beck
(http://swiki.squeakfoundation.org/squeak-ev/34)
-- Marcus Denker marcus@ira.uka.de -- Squeak! http://squeakland.org
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