Great. I'd suggest to make ourselves visible to Python and Ruby people. They might be attracted, since the languages are relatively similar.
I think it would be great to attract the participation of more people that are open source veterans into the Squeak and Smalltalk communities - our diversity of opinions/skills is our strength.
Also, connections with other open source communities might lead us to interesting collaborations.
But I don't actually know these communities.. more data, anyone?
Daniel
Ned Konz ned@bike-nomad.com wrote:
On Thursday 14 November 2002 02:07 pm, goran.hultgren@bluefish.se wrote:
- Guide of image detanglement (dependency analysis and making the
base package friendly): Daniel Vainsencher. Daniel has tools brewing (Spaghetti tracer), a bunch of good ideas how to make the image more dynamic and package friendly etc. I think you would fit perfectly in that role leading the forces forward and handing out responsibility areas. Much like you just started to do in previous postings here.
- Guide of (top down) application breakout: Ned Konz. Ned has deep
Morphic knowledge which seems to come handy when ripping out a few apps from the image! Also given SAR and good knowledge of SM Ned could see to that we hand out apps to people willing to take them on and help them break them out and start maintaining them.
- Guide of (bottom up) kernel image buildup: Craig Latta. Craig
has low level knowledge and an interest in small platforms. Perhaps this is a perfect fit with Dan Ingalls/Andreas Raab to help us get that small kernel image and also start layering packages on top of it.
These seem pretty well tangled up together.
There's some more roles outside the technical issues that relate to Values #1 (encourage participation by Squeakers of all levels) and #3 (grow the Squeak community and increase its visibility).
- Guide of community organization. We need someone to coordinate the
various efforts in the Squeak community so that we can involve as many people as possible. We've mentioned a number of ways this can happen, but it needs some kind of visible structure so people can volunteer to do things.
- Guide of external relations. We need someone to announce releases
to the outside world, prepare press releases, make sure that Squeak is listed and current on the various software catalogs (not necessarily do this themselves, but make sure it gets done), etc.
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danielv@netvision.net.il said:
Great. I'd suggest to make ourselves visible to Python and Ruby people. They might be attracted, since the languages are relatively similar.
Yeah, but you must be careful not to tread on long toes and incite language flame wars. So it's probably wiser to stick to the general community: - SEUL project (www.seul.org), especially the educational subproject and the spin-off (IIRC) schoolforge.net; - Freshmeat, Avogato, Kuro5hin, Slashdot, Linux News, ...; - Whysmalltalk, STIC, goodstart, ... - c.o.l.announce, c.l.smalltalk; etcetera.
I agree general communities are better. No need for direct confrontation in any of the other language groups. The people of interest in those groups will also read general community sites. I think that we need to be relatively inclusive of general communities as Squeak is so multiplatform. *nix is very open source and an easy target, but I believe we should also inform and educate the Win and Mac camps, too.
I believe that there is no need for being confrontational. We will do well enough being informational.
Jimmie Houchin
Cees de Groot wrote:
danielv@netvision.net.il said:
Great. I'd suggest to make ourselves visible to Python and Ruby people. They might be attracted, since the languages are relatively similar.
Yeah, but you must be careful not to tread on long toes and incite language flame wars. So it's probably wiser to stick to the general community:
- SEUL project (www.seul.org), especially the educational subproject and the spin-off (IIRC) schoolforge.net;
- Freshmeat, Avogato, Kuro5hin, Slashdot, Linux News, ...;
- Whysmalltalk, STIC, goodstart, ...
- c.o.l.announce, c.l.smalltalk;
etcetera.
On Thursday 14 November 2002 10:36 pm, danielv@netvision.net.il wrote:
But I don't actually know these communities.. more data, anyone?
Avi and I (and probably others) are members of the Ruby community.
Randal Schwartz, I and several others are members of the Perl community.
One long-running discussion in those two communities has to do with a common bytecode interpreter/jitter (like Parrot); Squeak has been pretty independent along these lines.
I think that many Rubyists would be easily attracted to Squeak due to the similarities in the object model and its nicer environment; don't know about Perl people.
I've always wanted to see Squeak stuff on LWN like the other languages have. I would consider volunteering for this and some PR in general.
I don't currently know what other sources of PR are available but would be willing to research.
I believe as Squeak 3.4 becomes more viable and apps are installable and uninstallable, then Squeak will become more attractive to more people.
I believe people from other language communities will be interested. One can't count how many times "Which GUI should I use?" pops up in c.l.python and I imagine everywhere else but c.l.tcl. Some people require (or at least so they think) a native GUI. I personally don't think it is as big a requirement as much as having a nice attractive GUI. Squeak can win people here, IMHO.
My apologies if I shouldn't have posted here. I don't know if such a determination has been made. If so let me know and I'll crosspost further comments into squeak-dev.
Jimmie Houchin
danielv@netvision.net.il wrote:
Great. I'd suggest to make ourselves visible to Python and Ruby people. They might be attracted, since the languages are relatively similar.
I think it would be great to attract the participation of more people that are open source veterans into the Squeak and Smalltalk communities
- our diversity of opinions/skills is our strength.
Also, connections with other open source communities might lead us to interesting collaborations.
But I don't actually know these communities.. more data, anyone?
Daniel
Ned Konz ned@bike-nomad.com wrote:
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