Colin writes:
I think it would be worth delaying the release of 3.4 to include this fix. Having easy-to-install packages for Traits and Islands would be very beneficial. The more people can play around with and exercise that code, the better.
I don't think that's a convincing rationale for inclusion in 3.4. The 3.4 release is a vehicle for SqueakMap. I think only problems which have a catastrophic effect on a newcomer's ability to use SqueakMap should delay 3.4.
Ned writes (on the Foundation list):
...since Andreas just posted the ClassBuilder fix, I'm thinking that may be worth including and postponing the release by a few days for people to test.
Why? (And I don't use question marks lightly in this message, since I know they could cause more delay. :)
Since I'm doing that, I could also perhaps include Ned's recent ArchiveViewer fix, since I've looked at that and its seems straightforward and is a somewhat important fix.
(:
I don't think "somewhat important" cuts it at this release stage. Instead, I think it's better to weigh the results of leaving something out, rather than of including it.
My recollection of our group discussions at OOPSLA, in November 2002, were that we would take 3.2, add SqueakMap support to it, and release it as 3.4. It is now February 2003. This surprises me, even given our history. :)
I think we should release 3.4 now, and defer all outstanding available fixes into the 3.5a stream (subject to harvester approval). In our current situation, I think anyone likely to encounter the bugs described recently will be able to get them easily from the update stream. In the meantime, newcomers will have easier access to SqueakMap sooner. I think it's time to release.
thanks,
-C
-- Craig Latta improvisational musical informaticist craig@netjam.org www.netjam.org/resume Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]
Okay, I'm very easily talked out of delaying the 3.4 release any further :-) (and was having second thoughts after posting that last message), so I agree with the prevailing opinion to leave this change out and go ahead with the release.
The Traits and Islands packages for 3.4 can include Andreas' fix as part of their install, which shouldn't significantly hinder people from exercising that code... those packages are both pretty experimental anyway.
- Doug Way
On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 08:59 PM, Craig Latta wrote:
Colin writes:
I think it would be worth delaying the release of 3.4 to include this fix. Having easy-to-install packages for Traits and Islands would be very beneficial. The more people can play around with and exercise that code, the better.
I don't think that's a convincing rationale for inclusion in 3.4. The 3.4 release is a vehicle for SqueakMap. I think only problems which have a catastrophic effect on a newcomer's ability to use SqueakMap should delay 3.4.
Doug writes (on the Foundation list):
...since Andreas just posted the ClassBuilder fix, I'm thinking that may be worth including and postponing the release by a few days for people to test.
Why? (And I don't use question marks lightly in this message, since I know they could cause more delay. :)
Since I'm doing that, I could also perhaps include Ned's recent ArchiveViewer fix, since I've looked at that and its seems straightforward and is a somewhat important fix.
(:
I don't think "somewhat important" cuts it at this release stage. Instead, I think it's better to weigh the results of leaving something out, rather than of including it.
My recollection of our group discussions at OOPSLA, in November 2002, were that we would take 3.2, add SqueakMap support to it, and release it as 3.4. It is now February 2003. This surprises me, even given our history. :)
I think we should release 3.4 now, and defer all outstanding available fixes into the 3.5a stream (subject to harvester approval). In our current situation, I think anyone likely to encounter the bugs described recently will be able to get them easily from the update stream. In the meantime, newcomers will have easier access to SqueakMap sooner. I think it's time to release.
thanks,
-C
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Hi all!
Just wanted to chip in and agree we should release - I read through the discussion and agree that these aren't showstoppers. Hey, I am playing catch up with my inbox - who knows, we might already have released. :-)
Sidenote: Making automated "releases" like the first every month is IMHO not a "release". That is more like a nightly build. The release isn't a release just because we say it is - it is a release because we have been going through the alpha/beta/gamma phases. Doing that in one month doesn't sound useful to me.
But I agree that we can try to make some form of regular schedule for the releases. 2 per year sounds reasonable to me (just a hipshot).
regards, Göran
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