I'll volunteeer too. I'm a little dated on my ST'ing, just getting back into it after a 10 year hiatus. We're using Squeak as an adjunct to our virtual reality engine, and have great interest in the mechanisms where Squeak can be used by a community consisting of non-commercial and commercial users, and there's a mechanism for us commercial folk to "pay back". We tried Java, it was a dreadful misteak, we really really want Squeak to go forward.
For what it's worth, I've also spent the last three years chasing funding (successfully on a femto scale, but enough...) and my biz-thought is reasonably well exercised.
Finally, we've got some extra cycles here, in the next few weeks if anyone can think of something that requires organizational effort and labor but not rocket science, we've got a guy free.
What I'd like to see come out of the Squeak foundation is a solid plan for potential _commercial_ use of Squeak, where the entry barriers are like they are now, nice and low, but there is a mechanism for companies to return non-competitive components of their squeak investment to the fold. In our case, we're planning on releasing all of the scaffolding, macros, and methodologies we used to integrate Squeak and our VR core. They benefit us far more shared with the squeak community than lying around in our code repositories.
Oh yeah, and count us in for $1K. We're not rich, but if it weren't for Squeak, we'd have spent a lot more, or worse yet, might still be having to futz with Teabag, err, Java.
Regards to all
Mark Mullin/CEO/Vibrant 3D
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1. Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot! (Luciano Notarfrancesco) 2. Re: Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot! (Bijan Parsia)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:41:00 -0800 From: Luciano Notarfrancesco luciano@corest.com To: dave@bedarra.com, dan@squeakland.org Cc: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Squeakfoundation]Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot! Reply-To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Tim Rowledge wrote:
GET OFF YOUR BUTTS
I offer my spare time (which is not much right now, but might be a lot soon (I'm in Argentina)). I can help with the harvesting. I can also compile VMs and plugins for Linux, BSD (Open, Free, Net), and Solaris (in SPARC and x86) and help with porting efforts.
There's a number of projects that I'd like to see done, so I'm willing to help with them if there's any interest (from SqC and SqF) in having them done:
o. Replacing the current Streams with Craig's o. Including Flow (especially NetStream and the ExternalResource hierarchy)
and getting rid of Socket and SerialPort o. Modularizing the image and producing a minimal image with no UI o. Simplifying the parse tree nodes (factoring the bytecode generation code out of them, for instance)
o. Including Tim's new CompiledMethods
o. And other stuff I can't remember now
Cheers, Luciano.-
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Message: 2 Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:47:50 -0500 (EST) From: Bijan Parsia bparsia@email.unc.edu To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Squeakfoundation]Re: SqueakFoundation; get off your butts you lot! Reply-To: squeakfoundation@lists.squeakfoundation.org
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002, Luciano Notarfrancesco wrote:
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There's a number of projects that I'd like to see done, so I'm willing to help with them if there's any interest (from SqC and SqF) in having them done:
o. Replacing the current Streams with Craig's o. Including Flow (especially NetStream and the ExternalResource
hierarchy)
Me to. Good to port all existing network apps, too (which isn't nearly as it sounds). I'd help with that.
I'd even work on completely updating the Squeak networking chapter to fully document it (and cutting out the older stuff), so there'd be comprehensive documentation from the get go.
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o. Simplifying the parse tree nodes (factoring the bytecode generation code out of them, for instance)
Or moving to the RB parser, whatever. I'm *very* into that and would happily work on a gelled, official, we really mean it, version of that. Specifically, I'll happily do the work to get all the prettyprinting browse modes working with the new stuff (and to clean it up a bit). (Moving to StreamWrappers would be nice, too.)
These seem like tangible, feasible projects to test organization an procedures. Even better if they demoed modules (since they're both core, but not *only* core, bits of functionailty).
It reminds me of the Squeak Projects page on the Swiki. A lot of good came out of it, but somethings withered and enthusism sorta died. Perhaps something like that again? As a start?
(cough, blockclosures, cough :))
Cheers, Bijan Parsia.
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