etoys-dev December 2007

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Re: [Etoys] Proposal on how to use Pootle for etoys
by Korakurider 05 Dec '07

05 Dec '07

Hi, Sayamindu. 2007/12/5, Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)gmail.com>: > Hi Xavi, Korakurider, > Thanks for the good luck wishes (I would definitely need them :-). > Something I've been thinking is - for projects like these, let Pootle > generate a daily tarball of all the translations, and put it up > somewhere accessible over HTTP. This can be downloaded by projects > (manually, via the build process). > Does it sound sane ? > Warm regards > Sayamindu Thanks for your suggestion ! For our purpose, we want to use your Pootle-git integration out of the box while we want to separate our master repository for build (svn) from git for translation work with Pootle. On etoys build time, we pull translations from git and merge them to POs in etoys's svn (that is our master repository of PO for build). The synchronization between git and svn is part of etoys build/maintenance process, not Pootle integration. And Takashi has implemented synchronization already. I will revise my proposal document to reflect current agreement and send to also localization list to share with translation community. Sorry for confusion because of my not sending to the list... Cheers /Korakurider

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[Etoys] XO end-user doc
by Bert Freudenberg 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

Just saw the note below on the library list - which reminded me that the Etoys part of the "kids guide" is a bit sparse: http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Simplified_user_guide#EToys Can we start real Etoys documentation now that the UI should be reasonably stable and feature-complete? Should we make the Quick Guides accessible on the Web? Also, did Alan work on the OLPC-Etoys book in the mean time? - Bert - Begin forwarded message: > From: Samuel Klein <sj(a)laptop.org> > Date: December 4, 2007 20:51:18 GMT+01:00 > To: Seth Woodworth <seth(a)isforinsects.com> > Cc: OLPC content/software library discussions <library(a)laptop.org>, > Anne Gentle <annegentle(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [OLPC library] XO end-user doc status update > > > Let's get back to this. We're trying to freeze the interface > strings for > the next library release this weekend; and to stop adding any new > content > bundles or documents next Friday; that leaves a bit of time for > refining > a beautiful manual. > > I'd aim for two formats : pdf for everyone / for the web; and XO- > html, to > ship on the laptops : formatted to be comfortably readable in ebook- > mode > on the XO (with reasonable page breaks, looking decent in both > portrait > and landscape mode). > > SJ > > > On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Seth Woodworth wrote: > >> Anne, >> >> My background is in Pre-press and Desktop Publishing software. I >> would be >> more than happy to take the guide and make a print quality pdf out >> of it. >> Actually I volunteered a while back to do so and I never heard >> anything. >> >> Where would you like to start? >> >> Seth Woodworth >> >> On Nov 27, 2007 8:52 PM, Samuel Klein <sj(a)laptop.org> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello Anne, >>> >>> Thanks for the update. As for the photo license -- they are >>> currently >>> under cc-by-sa 2.0 from Flickr. Christina, your photos are still >>> fab >>> after all these months -- please confirm that we can use them on our >>> cc-by wiki and in other docs. >>> >>> A few other people have noticed very slow wiki response; while it >>> has been >>> fine from within Boston; I wonder if our colo has had bad >>> connectivity to >>> part of the country. >>> >>>> I'm still seeking a page layout person with Word expertise to >>>> get a nice >>>> square manual that Lulu.com could easily print. >>> >>> For the Author-it materials : let's make a PDF of what is there >>> tomorrow, >>> and see how it looks. I'll put you in touch with the group that >>> does our >>> other layouts re: the layout. And I have some online-safety >>> materials to >>> share as well. Teacher materials will be showing up in reports >>> from the >>> field and in collections more rapidly as the first phase of >>> trials ends. > _______________________________________________ > Library mailing list > Library(a)lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/library

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[Etoys] How to distribute amd install MO for Apps
by korakurider＠yahoo.co.jp 04 Dec '07

04 Dec '07

Hi, bert. While I am still working on stabilizing runtime-translation stuff to make smooth to integrate add-on applications with base Etoys, I hit fundamental question: how to distribute and install addon application with translation. We need to do following that seem difficult on OLPC if I understand correctly: - EToys use installed MOs for translation, so additional MOs for the apps need to be installed onto file system. - Additional domains/MOs need to be registered by API call, and that registration is stored in image in current implementation. We have had great apps for Squeak, but.. - the last version of DrGeoII is packaged as SAR. It is possible to execute almost anything in preamble, but MOs installation seems impossible in Rainbow-enabled environment. - the last version of BotInc is packaged as project. How to package MOs in tt? - For both case, can domain registration be stored in Journal and restored ? it is easy for squeakland-OLPC user to save image... So only way to provide translation for apps is that preload apps and rename image and package them as RPM. I would like to hear your thought. (I understand we have similar issue with additional font...) /Korakurider -------------------------------------- New Design Yahoo! JAPAN 2008/01/01 http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/newdesign/

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[Etoys] Banner for Kathmandu game jam
by Bryan Berry 03 Dec '07

03 Dec '07

Here is the banner Om created for our upcoming "mini" game jam http://nepal.ole.org/home/sites/default/files/game_jam_flex.jpg Om did a fantastic job w/ this banner. In a couple days or less I will post the new user interface he created for our learning activities. As I told Om, Luke, and Ram today, it is such a pleasure working w/ people more talented than myself. In other news, I spoke with several individuals very keenly interested in developing educational games and graphics. Let's see what works out. The best thing about OLE Nepal is working with an extremely talented group of people. And as a corrollary, it is a pleasure to work w/ the extremely talented people involved in OLPC. We are hoping to have one mini-game jam per month for the next 12 months or so, culminating in a large scale game jam within the next several months. Our goal is to create a community of individuals iteratively involved in creating new activities and improving existing ones. -- Bryan W. Berry External Relations Manager OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org

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[Etoys] Banner for Kathmandu game jam
by Bryan Berry 03 Dec '07

03 Dec '07

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Re: [Etoys] Squeak VM status concerning language encodings
by Bert Freudenberg 03 Dec '07

03 Dec '07

On Dec 3, 2007, at 14:22 , Chris Petsos wrote: >>> I upgrated to latest sugar-jbuild and i greek layout works in >>> activities like >>> abiword of konsole, but under etoys i only get ????? when i try to >>> insert >>> greek uft8 chars. So i guess the utf8 support of squeak does not >>> work "out of >>> the box" :( >> >> As mentioned several times before, no, Etoys does not have greek >> glyphs in its fonts. This is a font problem, not an encoding problem. >> > > Does the eToys image have the ability to load True Type > (preferrably unicode) fonts? We also did discuss that before. Squeak's TTF importer discards code points > 255. Again, here is a hack around this: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-June/ 105184.html And because it is a terribly inefficient hack, Yoshiki has not yet pushed it into the official image. He's the one working on font/m17n issues. - Bert -

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[Etoys] Contents server anyone ?
by Karl 02 Dec '07

02 Dec '07

As we reach a more mature and stable state of Etoys I wondered about a focus shift from making the system to making contents for the system. SuperSwiki2 is mentioned as a distribution server. Is there a SuperSwiki2 server set up anywhere for public access ? Karl

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[Etoys] about LanguageEditor>>checkSpanishPhrase:translation:
by antonio 01 Dec '07

01 Dec '07

Hello, I saw Kim said about Squeakpolis. I have just uploaded this: http://squeak.educarex.es/Squeakpolis/uploads/48/EducarexOriginal.changes.z… http://squeak.educarex.es/Squeakpolis/uploads/48/EducarexOriginal.image.zip very similar, it could be useful. And that is (tak 12/26/2004 12:10 · private): checkSpanishPhrase: phraseString translation: translationString "check the translation an aswer a string with a comment or a nil meaning no-comments" | superResult | superResult := self checkPhrase: phraseString translation: translationString. superResult isNil ifFalse: [^ superResult]. "For some reason, MCInstaller couldn't read Spanish character. " "((translationString withBlanksTrimmed includes: $?) and: [(translationString withBlanksTrimmed includes: $é…) not]) ifTrue: [^ 'é…OlvidÆ§ el signo de pregunta?']. ((translationString withBlanksTrimmed includes: $!) and: [(translationString withBlanksTrimmed includes: $éÄ) not]) ifTrue: [^ 'é…OlvidÆ§ el signo de admiraciÆ§n?'] " ^ nil Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:28:59 -0800 > From: Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki(a)vpri.org> > Subject: [Etoys] LanguageEditor>>checkSpanishPhrase:translation: > To: "etoys(a)lists.laptop.org" <etoys(a)lists.laptop.org> > Message-ID: <umysxopx0.wl%yoshiki(a)vpri.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Hello Spanish speaking Etoys developers, > > It appears that some methods with latin1 characters got messed up > over the years (possibly when going through Monticello, for some > instances). Most of them I can fix, but there is one method I'd like > to get some suggestions from Spanish speaking people. > > Please take a look at > LanguageEditor>>checkSpanishPhrase:translation:. Can anybody edit the > method to make it look ok? Seemingly it was trying to warn the > LanguageEditor user when a phrase doesn't have a matching ? and > inverted ?, or ! and inverted !. > > As you see, it is in a comment and not used (and will not be used) > anymore so there is no real reason to fix it, but I thought it is nice > anyway. > > Thank you! > > -- Yoshiki > > P.S. > I looked at a Smallland image based on 3.8, but I don't have the > .changes for the image. So I cannot see comments... > > P.P.S. > Now small-land.org seems to be grabbed. What is the best place now?

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Re: [Etoys] Proposal on how to use Pootle for etoys
by Takashi Yamamiya 01 Dec '07

01 Dec '07

Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On Nov 30, 2007, at 12:33 , korakurider wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> As we have some enthusiastic community folks to contribute >> translations to Pootle where we call as test many times >> :-), I want to make it to production real soon. So I >> wrote down a proposal attached. >> >> As this contains too many "up to etoys team", I would like >> to hear from you before sending to list for wider >> audience... >> >> Thanks in advance. > > I would take out tinlizzie - both our master git and svn repositories > are at laptop.org. tinlizzie is only for internal use and backup. > > We can make pootle check into git directly, creating whatever directory > it wants. The "real" po would be created in svn, as we currently do. E.g.: > > git: etoys/pootle/ja.po > svn: etoys/Content/lang/ja.po Looks good. >> In other project of OLPC, community can directly commit to git from Pootle. >> Why should we split repository? >> Because version and quality management will be easier; community can work easily. I wonder if "quality management" actually works because we don't understand all language. But it is worth to try. >> Pootle's file name / hierarchy is different from what we choose for etoys svn >> For instance: >> Pootle: Japanese/ Update1-core / chat-activity.po. >> etoys svn: po/etoys/ja.po >> lang/ja/.../etoys.mo >> So we need to fill the gap. I think the simplest way is to use Pootle's file structure. But I would write a shell script to adapt file names at first. I doubt if we will change the translation scheme in near future again ;) I'll test whole thing after my current task, maybe this weekend. Cheers, - Takashi

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