Hello all,
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Bill
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Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Seaside-and-UI-Enhancements---tp15529989p15532405.html Sent from the Squeak - UI mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Hi Adrian,
why don't you simply install Universe (available on both SqueakMap and SqueakSource) and then, from Universe, install UIEnhancements? You can also download a squeak-dev image based on 3.9 (without UIEnhancements) and install UIEnhancements from Universe?
On Feb 17, 2008 11:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
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Hi Damien,
The reason is that I want to add this enhancement to our automated build process. Compared to production images, dev images have some additional packages. But I only want to add what we really need, e.g., OmniBrowser, Shout, eCompletion but not Package Universes or YAXO. Also, I want to have everything in MC packages as the build process is based on MC configurations.
Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 08:00 , Damien Cassou wrote:
Hi Adrian,
why don't you simply install Universe (available on both SqueakMap and SqueakSource) and then, from Universe, install UIEnhancements? You can also download a squeak-dev image based on 3.9 (without UIEnhancements) and install UIEnhancements from Universe?
On Feb 17, 2008 11:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
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If there is sufficient interest I could break out the window icon methods into a separate package (with the implicit dependencies).
Gary
-----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: 18 February 2008 8:19 AM To: Squeak's User Interface Subject: Re: [UI] Seaside and UI Enhancements??
Hi Damien,
The reason is that I want to add this enhancement to our automated build process. Compared to production images, dev images have some additional packages. But I only want to add what we really need, e.g., OmniBrowser, Shout, eCompletion but not Package Universes or YAXO. Also, I want to have everything in MC packages as the build process is based on MC configurations.
Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 08:00 , Damien Cassou wrote:
Hi Adrian,
why don't you simply install Universe (available on both SqueakMap and SqueakSource) and then, from Universe, install UIEnhancements? You can also download a squeak-dev image based on 3.9 (without UIEnhancements) and install UIEnhancements from Universe?
On Feb 17, 2008 11:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon -- View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Seaside-and-UI-Enhancements---tp15529989p15532405.html
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Hi Gary,
That would be great.
Since I would use the package in an automated build process, to "proceed" when loading does not work. But I think it would also be good for other people that just want to try out UIEnhancements because it simplifies the installation (at least for those not having installed Package Universes).
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:00 , Gary Chambers wrote:
If there is sufficient interest I could break out the window icon methods into a separate package (with the implicit dependencies).
Gary
-----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: 18 February 2008 8:19 AM To: Squeak's User Interface Subject: Re: [UI] Seaside and UI Enhancements??
Hi Damien,
The reason is that I want to add this enhancement to our automated build process. Compared to production images, dev images have some additional packages. But I only want to add what we really need, e.g., OmniBrowser, Shout, eCompletion but not Package Universes or YAXO. Also, I want to have everything in MC packages as the build process is based on MC configurations.
Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 08:00 , Damien Cassou wrote:
Hi Adrian,
why don't you simply install Universe (available on both SqueakMap and SqueakSource) and then, from Universe, install UIEnhancements? You can also download a squeak-dev image based on 3.9 (without UIEnhancements) and install UIEnhancements from Universe?
On Feb 17, 2008 11:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
>
Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon -- View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Seaside-and-UI-Enhancements---tp15529989p15532405.html
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On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 11:14:32 +0100, Adrian Lienhard wrote:
Hi Gary,
That would be great.
Since I would use the package in an automated build process, to "proceed" when loading does not work.
Have you condidered #valueSupplyingAnswers: which is used in Keith's Installer package for doing such things.
But I think it would also be good for other people that just want to try out UIEnhancements because it simplifies the installation (at least for those not having installed Package Universes).
Yes, more independence would be appreciated.
/Klaus
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:00 , Gary Chambers wrote:
If there is sufficient interest I could break out the window icon methods into a separate package (with the implicit dependencies).
Gary
-----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: 18 February 2008 8:19 AM To: Squeak's User Interface Subject: Re: [UI] Seaside and UI Enhancements??
Hi Damien,
The reason is that I want to add this enhancement to our automated build process. Compared to production images, dev images have some additional packages. But I only want to add what we really need, e.g., OmniBrowser, Shout, eCompletion but not Package Universes or YAXO. Also, I want to have everything in MC packages as the build process is based on MC configurations.
Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 08:00 , Damien Cassou wrote:
Hi Adrian,
why don't you simply install Universe (available on both SqueakMap and SqueakSource) and then, from Universe, install UIEnhancements? You can also download a squeak-dev image based on 3.9 (without UIEnhancements) and install UIEnhancements from Universe?
On Feb 17, 2008 11:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
>> Bill Schwab wrote: > > Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems > like > it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything > installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am > giving an > introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic > stuff), > and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible. >
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon -- View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Seaside-and-UI-Enhancements---tp15529989p15532405.html
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Yes, more independence would be appreciated.
Done. On SqueakSource Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.289 has the class-side taskbarIcon methods for windows/models not contained in the widgets package removed. Load Pinesoft-TaskbarIcons-gvc.1 to load them (depends on Universes, of course ;-) ).
I have not updated the dev Universe at present, since not a load problem if Universe is installed, though probably due a new release soon.
Gary.
On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:12:26 +0100, Gary Chambers wrote:
Yes, more independence would be appreciated.
Done. On SqueakSource Pinesoft-Widgets-gvc.289 has the class-side taskbarIcon methods for windows/models not contained in the widgets package removed. Load Pinesoft-TaskbarIcons-gvc.1 to load them (depends on Universes, of course ;-) ).
Loaded -gcv.1 and merged -gvc.289 into Damien's sq3.10-7159dev08.02.1.image and it works just fine :)
Thank you Gary.
/Klaus
I have not updated the dev Universe at present, since not a load problem if Universe is installed, though probably due a new release soon.
Gary.
Check out LevelPlayingField, which I think makes getting Universes straightforward (even automatable) back as far as 3.7
On Feb 18, 2008 4:14 AM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
Hi Gary,
That would be great.
Since I would use the package in an automated build process, to "proceed" when loading does not work. But I think it would also be good for other people that just want to try out UIEnhancements because it simplifies the installation (at least for those not having installed Package Universes).
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 11:00 , Gary Chambers wrote:
If there is sufficient interest I could break out the window icon methods into a separate package (with the implicit dependencies).
Gary
-----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: 18 February 2008 8:19 AM To: Squeak's User Interface Subject: Re: [UI] Seaside and UI Enhancements??
Hi Damien,
The reason is that I want to add this enhancement to our automated build process. Compared to production images, dev images have some additional packages. But I only want to add what we really need, e.g., OmniBrowser, Shout, eCompletion but not Package Universes or YAXO. Also, I want to have everything in MC packages as the build process is based on MC configurations.
Adrian
On Feb 18, 2008, at 08:00 , Damien Cassou wrote:
Hi Adrian,
why don't you simply install Universe (available on both SqueakMap and SqueakSource) and then, from Universe, install UIEnhancements? You can also download a squeak-dev image based on 3.9 (without UIEnhancements) and install UIEnhancements from Universe?
On Feb 17, 2008 11:38 PM, Adrian Lienhard adi@netstyle.ch wrote:
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
>> Bill Schwab wrote: > > Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It > seems > like > it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting > everything > installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am > giving an > introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic > stuff), > and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible. >
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon -- View this message in context:
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Check out LevelPlayingField, which I think makes getting Universes straightforward (even automatable) back as far as 3.7
I think Adrian was looking not to have to load Universes...
The reason is that I want to add this enhancement to our automated build process. Compared to production images, dev images have some
additional packages. But I only want to add what we really need, e.g., OmniBrowser, Shout, eCompletion but not Package Universes or YAXO.
Also, I want to have everything in MC packages as the build process is based on MC configurations.
As I think I have previously mentioned (maybe on the dev list), the Universes dependency is merely to support an icon for the Universe browser and is safe to "proceed" when loading.
As for Seaside, as Simon said, the UI Enhancements should have no impact on Seaside functionality.
Gary
-----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org]On Behalf Of Adrian Lienhard Sent: 17 February 2008 10:39 PM To: Squeak's User Interface Subject: Re: [UI] Seaside and UI Enhancements??
I tested UIEnhancements with a stock 3.9 image. Unfortunately, the package depends on Package Universes, which depends on YAXO. So its not straightforward to load, but its doable if you know how. It would be nice to have just one Monticello package without dependencies...
Cheers, Adrian
On Feb 17, 2008, at 21:00 , Simon Kirk wrote:
Bill Schwab wrote:
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
Hi Bill.
Here at Pinesoft (where Gary works!) we're developing with Seaside in dev images (as in, Damien Cassou's dev images) with the UI enhancements enabled. I'm not sure what you mean by "with", do you just mean an image with the UI enhancements making it look pretty?
If that's the case I'm not sure what issues there are, as afaicr Seaside and the UI enhancements are orthogonal.
Cheers, Simon -- View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/Seaside-and-UI-Enhancements---tp15529989p155
32405.html
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Hi Bill,
On Feb 17, 2008 3:02 PM, Bill Schwab BSchwab@anest.ufl.edu wrote:
Hello all,
Are any of you using Seaside with Gary's UI Enhancements? It seems like it should be ok, but if there are any tricks to getting everything installed, time-saving pointers would be appreciated. I am giving an introductory presentation on Smalltalk and Seaside (very basic stuff), and prefer to have the improved GUI if at all possible.
You can use the squeak-web beta images (ftp://ftp.ofset.org/squeak/squeak-web/beta) which contain both Seaside and UIEnhancements.
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