I would like to request the support of the board to offer assistance to the Cuis project by hosting the cuis-dev@cuis-smalltalk.org mailing list on available sqeak.org infrastructure. We are fortunate to have an excellent hosting infrastructure for our web servers and mailing lists.

Currently we incur no cost for use of that infrastructure due to our membership in the Software Freedom Conservancy and to our commitment to free distribution and promotion of Squeak and related projects. The Cuis project is strongly connected with Squeak, and is compatible with and supportive of the Squeak project. For that reason, I believe that it is appropriate to make the squeak.org infrastructure available for support of the cuis-dev mailing list.

The attached email from Juan Vuletich on cuis-dev provides background. I have not previously discussed with with Juan, although I am CCing him here. CC also to box-admins, just in case this is not a feasible suggestion.

I am not an expert on mailing lists, but I am assuming that it is possible to host a cuis-dev@cuis-smalltalk.org mailing list on our servers without losing the "Cuis" identity. In other words, the list identity must still be be cuis-dev@cuis-smalltalk.org, not cuis-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org.

Does the board support this proposal?

Thanks,

Dave

----- Forwarded message from Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev cuis-dev@cuis-smalltalk.org -----

Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 08:31:17 -0300 To: Discussion of Cuis Smalltalk cuis-dev@cuis-smalltalk.org Subject: [Cuis-dev] Problems with the mail list - Let's move to a new mail list server List-Id: Discussion of Cuis Smalltalk <cuis-dev.cuis-smalltalk.org> List-Archive: http://cuis-smalltalk.org/pipermail/cuis-dev_cuis-smalltalk.org/ From: Juan Vuletich via Cuis-dev cuis-dev@cuis-smalltalk.org Cc: Juan Vuletich juan@jvuletich.org

Hi Folks,

We have been having problems with the mail list for a long time. The current mail list is hosted at a personal hosting service of mine, at www.hostgator.com. The problems we have include:

- It seems that there are people who use hostgator.com servers to send spam, so their ip addresses are sometimes blacklisted by isp of some list subscribers. As a result some folks can't get messages from the list.

- Hostgator has a limit of 500 emails per hour. Given that we have more than a hundred subscribers, the limit has been hit at least once, and the result is that the server just discards the messages. So, for a certain message, some people will get it and others won't. This is unacceptable. Hostgator suggests moving to either phpList (that can throttle to avoid the limit) or ConstantContact, that has no limit. But mailman (our current software, that can't throttle message sends) was written for discussion lists. phpList is for newsletter distribution (i.e. a single sender). ConstantContact is a separate company specializing in email marketing. So, hostgator doesn't really consider a discussion mail list as a valid use case.

- The list is tied to a personal account, that also includes jvuletich.org and personal information, and this makes it hard to share administration with someone else.

I believe the best solution is to move our mail list somewhere else. My wishlist for this is that - It is a non-paid service - Its administration can be shared between several people - It has freely accessible archives, and a reasonable web interface - It doesn't include ads in messages - It is an email list, not a web based forum

I can't believe that GitHub doesn't offer such a service. It could be nicely integrated into Organizations, Repos, Teams, Issues, etc.

So far, the best I found is www.freelists.org . Any suggestion, or comment on pros / cons of alternatives is warmly welcome!

Thanks,