On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz
==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
Am 14.05.2013 um 10:40 schrieb Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz
==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
This is an indication that the squeaksource.com image was restarted but not saved lately. The "recovery" process collects the mcz's from disk an processes them as if they were commited just now, hence, sends out emails. If someone with access to the image would save it after recovery, these dups wouldn't appear.
Best -Tobias
On 2013-05-14, at 10:55, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Am 14.05.2013 um 10:40 schrieb Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz
==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
This is an indication that the squeaksource.com image was restarted but not saved lately. The "recovery" process collects the mcz's from disk an processes them as if they were commited just now, hence, sends out emails. If someone with access to the image would save it after recovery, these dups wouldn't appear.
Best -Tobias
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
- Bert -
On 14 May 2013 10:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 10:55, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Am 14.05.2013 um 10:40 schrieb Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz
==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
This is an indication that the squeaksource.com image was restarted but not saved lately. The "recovery" process collects the mcz's from disk an processes them as if they were commited just now, hence, sends out emails. If someone with access to the image would save it after recovery, these dups wouldn't appear.
Best -Tobias
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
You mean to move the projects (OSProcessPlugin's also spamming us) over to ss3 or SmalltalkHub? Agreed. I'd prefer it if Dave did it (because he's the main committer, not just because I'm lazy), but I'd be willing to do the grunt work, as a semi-last resort.
frank
- Bert -
On 2013-05-14, at 11:41, Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2013 10:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 10:55, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Am 14.05.2013 um 10:40 schrieb Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz
==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
This is an indication that the squeaksource.com image was restarted but not saved lately. The "recovery" process collects the mcz's from disk an processes them as if they were commited just now, hence, sends out emails. If someone with access to the image would save it after recovery, these dups wouldn't appear.
Best -Tobias
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
You mean to move the projects (OSProcessPlugin's also spamming us) over to ss3 or SmalltalkHub? Agreed. I'd prefer it if Dave did it (because he's the main committer, not just because I'm lazy), but I'd be willing to do the grunt work, as a semi-last resort.
frank
No, I mean taking over the squeaksource.com server itself.
- Bert -
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02:08PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 11:41, Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2013 10:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 10:55, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Am 14.05.2013 um 10:40 schrieb Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote:
Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz
==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
This is an indication that the squeaksource.com image was restarted but not saved lately. The "recovery" process collects the mcz's from disk an processes them as if they were commited just now, hence, sends out emails. If someone with access to the image would save it after recovery, these dups wouldn't appear.
Best -Tobias
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
You mean to move the projects (OSProcessPlugin's also spamming us) over to ss3 or SmalltalkHub? Agreed. I'd prefer it if Dave did it (because he's the main committer, not just because I'm lazy), but I'd be willing to do the grunt work, as a semi-last resort.
frank
No, I mean taking over the squeaksource.com server itself.
Is that an option? I'd be all for it.
I have been holding off on moving any of my projects from SqueakSource because I don't know where to put them. I'm not very confident in SmalltalkHub because I have not heard anything to suggest that it will be managed better than the system it replaces. It also does not seem to work behind a corporate firewall with Internet Explorer, not an encouraging sign. SS3 seems to be fine but I don't know if it's intended to be a long term solution.
source.squeak.org is reliable and problem free. If we could have SqueakSource managed in a similar manner it would be great.
For the record: I really do appreciate the service that SqueakSource has provided to the community over the years, including the efforts of the volunteers who have done the support work for it.
Dave
On 14 May 2013 12:53, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02:08PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 11:41, Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2013 10:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 10:55, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Am 14.05.2013 um 10:40 schrieb Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com:
On 14 May 2013 11:02, squeak-dev-noreply@lists.squeakfoundation.org wrote: > > Dave Lewis uploaded a new version of SystemTracing to project SystemTracing: > http://www.squeaksource.com/SystemTracing/SystemTracing-dtl.24.mcz > > ==================== Summary ====================
We're seeing a whole lot of dups. What's wrong with the infrastructure?
frank
This is an indication that the squeaksource.com image was restarted but not saved lately. The "recovery" process collects the mcz's from disk an processes them as if they were commited just now, hence, sends out emails. If someone with access to the image would save it after recovery, these dups wouldn't appear.
Best -Tobias
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
You mean to move the projects (OSProcessPlugin's also spamming us) over to ss3 or SmalltalkHub? Agreed. I'd prefer it if Dave did it (because he's the main committer, not just because I'm lazy), but I'd be willing to do the grunt work, as a semi-last resort.
frank
No, I mean taking over the squeaksource.com server itself.
Is that an option? I'd be all for it.
I have been holding off on moving any of my projects from SqueakSource because I don't know where to put them. I'm not very confident in SmalltalkHub because I have not heard anything to suggest that it will be managed better than the system it replaces. It also does not seem to work behind a corporate firewall with Internet Explorer, not an encouraging sign. SS3 seems to be fine but I don't know if it's intended to be a long term solution.
source.squeak.org is reliable and problem free. If we could have SqueakSource managed in a similar manner it would be great.
For the record: I really do appreciate the service that SqueakSource has provided to the community over the years, including the efforts of the volunteers who have done the support work for it.
We need to pipe up on the squeaksource thread in the Pharo mailing list.
frank
Dave
On 2013-05-14, at 13:53, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02:08PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 11:41, Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2013 10:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
You mean to move the projects (OSProcessPlugin's also spamming us) over to ss3 or SmalltalkHub? Agreed. I'd prefer it if Dave did it (because he's the main committer, not just because I'm lazy), but I'd be willing to do the grunt work, as a semi-last resort.
frank
No, I mean taking over the squeaksource.com server itself.
Is that an option? I'd be all for it.
I think we can, and we should. The folks at the University of Berne have very generously kept it running, but they would be happy if we relieved them of this responsibility.
I have been holding off on moving any of my projects from SqueakSource because I don't know where to put them. I'm not very confident in SmalltalkHub because I have not heard anything to suggest that it will be managed better than the system it replaces. It also does not seem to work behind a corporate firewall with Internet Explorer, not an encouraging sign. SS3 seems to be fine but I don't know if it's intended to be a long term solution.
source.squeak.org is reliable and problem free. If we could have SqueakSource managed in a similar manner it would be great.
For the record: I really do appreciate the service that SqueakSource has provided to the community over the years, including the efforts of the volunteers who have done the support work for it.
Dave
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:38:55PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 13:53, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 12:02:08PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-05-14, at 11:41, Frank Shearar frank.shearar@gmail.com wrote:
On 14 May 2013 10:37, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Seems like as good a time as ever to really do something about squeaksource.com. I'm slacking, sorry. Anyone wants to champion this?
You mean to move the projects (OSProcessPlugin's also spamming us) over to ss3 or SmalltalkHub? Agreed. I'd prefer it if Dave did it (because he's the main committer, not just because I'm lazy), but I'd be willing to do the grunt work, as a semi-last resort.
frank
No, I mean taking over the squeaksource.com server itself.
Is that an option? I'd be all for it.
I think we can, and we should. The folks at the University of Berne have very generously kept it running, but they would be happy if we relieved them of this responsibility.
I have been holding off on moving any of my projects from SqueakSource because I don't know where to put them. I'm not very confident in SmalltalkHub because I have not heard anything to suggest that it will be managed better than the system it replaces. It also does not seem to work behind a corporate firewall with Internet Explorer, not an encouraging sign. SS3 seems to be fine but I don't know if it's intended to be a long term solution.
source.squeak.org is reliable and problem free. If we could have SqueakSource managed in a similar manner it would be great.
For the record: I really do appreciate the service that SqueakSource has provided to the community over the years, including the efforts of the volunteers who have done the support work for it.
Dave
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
I don't have much free time right now, so I would be happy if someone else was to volunteer. On the other hand, moving SqueakSource to one of our boxes might turn out to be less work than moving all of my projects from SqueakSource over to something else, so I might be able to convince myself to take it on ;-)
Any other volunteers?
Dave
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:53:11AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:38:55PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
I don't have much free time right now, so I would be happy if someone else was to volunteer. On the other hand, moving SqueakSource to one of our boxes might turn out to be less work than moving all of my projects from SqueakSource over to something else, so I might be able to convince myself to take it on ;-)
Any other volunteers?
Dave
Bert,
I'm not sure that I really have time to take on another project, but keeping a working SqueakSource on line seems like it would be worth a little effort so I'm going to volunteer.
Do you have a copy of the last email exchange with Fabrizio Perin? If so I will make contact with him and see if it may still be feasible to move SqueakSource over to one of our squeak.org boxes.
If this works out, I will be asking the box-admins for help to find space on our servers to host the migrated squeaksource.
Thanks, Dave
On 2013-08-22, at 02:59, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:53:11AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:38:55PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
I don't have much free time right now, so I would be happy if someone else was to volunteer. On the other hand, moving SqueakSource to one of our boxes might turn out to be less work than moving all of my projects from SqueakSource over to something else, so I might be able to convince myself to take it on ;-)
Any other volunteers?
Dave
Bert,
I'm not sure that I really have time to take on another project, but keeping a working SqueakSource on line seems like it would be worth a little effort so I'm going to volunteer.
Awesome!
Do you have a copy of the last email exchange with Fabrizio Perin? If so I will make contact with him and see if it may still be feasible to move SqueakSource over to one of our squeak.org boxes.
If this works out, I will be asking the box-admins for help to find space on our servers to host the migrated squeaksource.
Thanks, Dave
I will forward the messages separately - there's nothing "secret" in these messages, but because they were sent privately, I won't post them to the public list.
Thank you :)
- Bert -
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-08-22, at 02:59, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:53:11AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:38:55PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
I don't have much free time right now, so I would be happy if someone else was to volunteer. On the other hand, moving SqueakSource to one of our boxes might turn out to be less work than moving all of my projects from SqueakSource over to something else, so I might be able to convince myself to take it on ;-)
Any other volunteers?
Dave
Bert,
I'm not sure that I really have time to take on another project, but keeping a working SqueakSource on line seems like it would be worth a little effort so I'm going to volunteer.
Awesome!
Do you have a copy of the last email exchange with Fabrizio Perin? If so I will make contact with him and see if it may still be feasible to move SqueakSource over to one of our squeak.org boxes.
If this works out, I will be asking the box-admins for help to find space on our servers to host the migrated squeaksource.
Thanks, Dave
I will forward the messages separately - there's nothing "secret" in these messages, but because they were sent privately, I won't post them to the public list.
Bert:
I sent a message to Fabrizio Perin and Andrei Vasile Chis to follow up on your earlier discussion with Fabrizio. Hopefully this will get the process under way.
I don't (yet) know anything about running a SqueakSource, but my assumption is that if I can get a full copy of the files, along with a copy of the image/changes files, then I can figure out the rest from there.
Box admins:
I don't know the resource requirements for SqueakSource, but I assume that it will require a good deal of file space, and that the CPU/memory requirements will be similar to that of our current source.squeak.org. I will determine the requirements as soon as I can, meanwhile if there is an existing box that I could plan to use, that would be great.
Thanks, Dave
Hi Dave, I made a place on my Google Drive available for Andrei, et al, to place the SqueakSource tarball. You will now have access to it when its uploaded.
Tobias has offerred to try converting the original SS instance to a SS3 instance. We should discuss that and coordinate with him. I'm open to either implementation as long as we accomplish full preservation of the code and meta information. One possible concern about porting it to SS3 could be potential confusion with the "new" SS3...
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-08-22, at 02:59, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:53:11AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:38:55PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
I don't have much free time right now, so I would be happy if someone else was to volunteer. On the other hand, moving SqueakSource to one of our boxes might turn out to be less work than moving all of my projects from SqueakSource over to something else, so I might be able to convince myself to take it on ;-)
Any other volunteers?
Dave
Bert,
I'm not sure that I really have time to take on another project, but keeping a working SqueakSource on line seems like it would be worth a little effort so I'm going to volunteer.
Awesome!
Do you have a copy of the last email exchange with Fabrizio Perin? If so I will make contact with him and see if it may still be feasible to move SqueakSource over to one of our squeak.org boxes.
If this works out, I will be asking the box-admins for help to find space on our servers to host the migrated squeaksource.
Thanks, Dave
I will forward the messages separately - there's nothing "secret" in these messages, but because they were sent privately, I won't post them to the public list.
Bert:
I sent a message to Fabrizio Perin and Andrei Vasile Chis to follow up on your earlier discussion with Fabrizio. Hopefully this will get the process under way.
I don't (yet) know anything about running a SqueakSource, but my assumption is that if I can get a full copy of the files, along with a copy of the image/changes files, then I can figure out the rest from there.
Box admins:
I don't know the resource requirements for SqueakSource, but I assume that it will require a good deal of file space, and that the CPU/memory requirements will be similar to that of our current source.squeak.org. I will determine the requirements as soon as I can, meanwhile if there is an existing box that I could plan to use, that would be great.
Thanks, Dave
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 03:36:52PM -0500, Chris Muller wrote:
Hi Dave, I made a place on my Google Drive available for Andrei, et al, to place the SqueakSource tarball. You will now have access to it when its uploaded.
Good idea, that should work fine.
Tobias has offerred to try converting the original SS instance to a SS3 instance. We should discuss that and coordinate with him. I'm open to either implementation as long as we accomplish full preservation of the code and meta information. One possible concern about porting it to SS3 could be potential confusion with the "new" SS3...
For now I am going to focus only on moving the existing SqueakSource without change. If and when that is successfully completed, the next priority will be to address the reliability and performance problems. Given that our own source.squeak.org service does not have reliability and performance problems, I suspect that this is not an impossible objective ;-)
Dave
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:16 PM, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 03:17:00PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 2013-08-22, at 02:59, "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 11:53:11AM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 04:38:55PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
The Squeak Oversight Board has been in contact with Oscar Nierstrasz's group at the Uni of Berne. At the moment Fabrizio Perin is maintaining the server. Our last message exchange was in December 2012. I meant to follow up on that, but I should admit that I don't have the time to actually do it.
Our short-term plan was to simply move the whole thing over to one of our own servers, switch the DNS record, and take it from there.
Would someone have time to make that happen?
- Bert -
I don't have much free time right now, so I would be happy if someone else was to volunteer. On the other hand, moving SqueakSource to one of our boxes might turn out to be less work than moving all of my projects from SqueakSource over to something else, so I might be able to convince myself to take it on ;-)
Any other volunteers?
Dave
Bert,
I'm not sure that I really have time to take on another project, but keeping a working SqueakSource on line seems like it would be worth a little effort so I'm going to volunteer.
Awesome!
Do you have a copy of the last email exchange with Fabrizio Perin? If so I will make contact with him and see if it may still be feasible to move SqueakSource over to one of our squeak.org boxes.
If this works out, I will be asking the box-admins for help to find space on our servers to host the migrated squeaksource.
Thanks, Dave
I will forward the messages separately - there's nothing "secret" in these messages, but because they were sent privately, I won't post them to the public list.
Bert:
I sent a message to Fabrizio Perin and Andrei Vasile Chis to follow up on your earlier discussion with Fabrizio. Hopefully this will get the process under way.
I don't (yet) know anything about running a SqueakSource, but my assumption is that if I can get a full copy of the files, along with a copy of the image/changes files, then I can figure out the rest from there.
Box admins:
I don't know the resource requirements for SqueakSource, but I assume that it will require a good deal of file space, and that the CPU/memory requirements will be similar to that of our current source.squeak.org. I will determine the requirements as soon as I can, meanwhile if there is an existing box that I could plan to use, that would be great.
Thanks, Dave
box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
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David T. Lewis -
Frank Shearar -
Tobias Pape