etoys-dev February 2008

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Re: [Etoys] [Localization] [IMPORTANT] Getting your formatting strings right
by Korakurider 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

(forwarding yours to lists) Hi, Yuan Thanks for pointing out that ! Then we may want to build special test tweaked for Etoys or some "rule" people need to follow... Cheers, /Korakurider On Feb 5, 2008 6:17 PM, Yuan Chao <yuanchao(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2008 12:28 PM, Korakurider <korakurider(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi all. > > On Feb 4, 2008 11:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > While going through the translations, I found that some of the > > > translators are ignoring the formatting strings in the msgids. Eg, > > > they are translating "%d Foo" as "Bar" (where Foo->Bar) in their > > > language. > > > _Please, please, do not do this._ If you do this, the software will in > > > many cases crash while working in your language. > > > > > > To understand the use of these strings, and to know how to deal with > > > them, please do go through > > > http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html#transguide.poanatomy.specia… > > > > > > Thank you, > > > Sayamindu > > > > Etoys has similar special placeholder '{ number }'. > > For example {1} and {2} are the placeholders here: > > > > #: Balloon-MMFlash_Import,FlashFileReader>>processHeader > > msgid "" > > "This file's version ({1}) is higher than \n" > > "the currently supported version ({2}). \n" > > "It may contain features that are not supported \n" > > "and it may not display correctly.\n" > > "Do you want to continue?" > > msgstr "" > > "Die Version dieser Datei ({1}) ist neuer \n" > > "als die derzeit unterstützte Version ({2}). \n" > > "Einige Elemente werden möglicherweise \n" > > "nicht korrekt dargestellt.\n" > > "Trotzdem laden?" > > > > > > I noticed in some language the placeholders are ignored or handled > > wrongly, like this: > > msgstr "This file's version (1) is higher than \n" > > > > Squeak doesn't crash by this, but can't show intended information to users. > > Please don't do this, do place them appropriately. > I noticed that the Pootle po test may think the translations with > correct formatting as wrong ones because of definition of brackets > difference in different locale. People may need to be careful on this. > > > -- > Best regards, > Yuan Chao >

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[Etoys] [QuickGuides]Griding and graph paper
by Karl 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

In the guide to Playfield Grid Options there is not made a clear distinction between griding and graph paper. The two concepts look like each other but give very different behavior. Karl

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Re: [Etoys] [Localization] [IMPORTANT] Getting your formatting strings right
by Korakurider 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

Hi all. On Feb 4, 2008 11:49 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > While going through the translations, I found that some of the > translators are ignoring the formatting strings in the msgids. Eg, > they are translating "%d Foo" as "Bar" (where Foo->Bar) in their > language. > _Please, please, do not do this._ If you do this, the software will in > many cases crash while working in your language. > > To understand the use of these strings, and to know how to deal with > them, please do go through > http://www.bengalinux.org/devel_guide/ch03.html#transguide.poanatomy.specia… > > Thank you, > Sayamindu Etoys has similar special placeholder '{ number }'. For example {1} and {2} are the placeholders here: #: Balloon-MMFlash_Import,FlashFileReader>>processHeader msgid "" "This file's version ({1}) is higher than \n" "the currently supported version ({2}). \n" "It may contain features that are not supported \n" "and it may not display correctly.\n" "Do you want to continue?" msgstr "" "Die Version dieser Datei ({1}) ist neuer \n" "als die derzeit unterstützte Version ({2}). \n" "Einige Elemente werden möglicherweise \n" "nicht korrekt dargestellt.\n" "Trotzdem laden?" I noticed in some language the placeholders are ignored or handled wrongly, like this: msgstr "This file's version (1) is higher than \n" Squeak doesn't crash by this, but can't show intended information to users. Please don't do this, do place them appropriately. Your help will be greatly appreciated. /Korakurider

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[Etoys] Fwd: Increasing size of halos
by Eduardo H Silva 05 Feb '08

05 Feb '08

sorry, I meant to reply to the list. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Eduardo H Silva <hoboprimate(a)gmail.com> Date: 05/02/2008 04:04 Subject: Re: [Etoys] Increasing size of halos To: Takashi Yamamiya <tak(a)metatoys.org> Now I'm not so sure, because I understand what you mean when a etoy goes near the screen edge, and I can also interact with the handles pretty well. This was one blog post, of one session of using Etoys on XO's. Could be that the touchpad bugs and being the first time using it caused their troubles. Eduardo 2008/2/4, Takashi Yamamiya <tak(a)metatoys.org>: > > Hi Eduardo, > > Yes, we have. Actually current handle size is twice larger than original > etoys. > The challenge is, if we enlarge the halo too much, it could be overlapping > each other especially when target morph is near the screen edge. > So there is always trade off. How large do you suggest? > > Cheers, > - Takashi > > Eduardo H Silva wrote: > > Have you considered increasing the sizes of halos? I've read one blog > > post in the web (sorry, I didn't keep the link) of a person initiating a > > few kids on OLPC etoys (on a XO), by having them paint and drive a car, > > and the biggest problem they never resolved was missing the small halos. > > I would make them bigger targets. This would also improve the case when > > a Etoy is small, and the small halos become next to each other, and > > increase the likelihood of kids clicking on the wrong one. > >

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Re: [Etoys] [Etoys-notify] Commit from Pootle by user sayamindu
by Korakurider 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

On Feb 4, 2008 6:11 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 4, 2008 2:34 PM, Korakurider <korakurider(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Feb 4, 2008 5:54 PM, Sayamindu Dasgupta <sayamindu(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Btw - could you guys check if > > > http://dev.laptop.org/~sayamindu/etoys.po is OK. This is a new > > > translation which might be useful for you. It is in Pootle, and I can > > > commit it if you want. > > > > At least I can compile it successfully, but decision on actual > > translation is up to the language team, right? (What can I say more, > > I don't know even the language :-) > > Ok thanks for the update. The checker cron job is in place now - it > runs every six hours and reports back to me in case of any errors. > This should take care of build systems choking for now :-). Thanks so much for your great effort ! /Korakurider

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[Etoys] Increasing size of halos
by Eduardo H Silva 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Have you considered increasing the sizes of halos? I've read one blog post in the web (sorry, I didn't keep the link) of a person initiating a few kids on OLPC etoys (on a XO), by having them paint and drive a car, and the biggest problem they never resolved was missing the small halos. I would make them bigger targets. This would also improve the case when a Etoy is small, and the small halos become next to each other, and increase the likelihood of kids clicking on the wrong one. Eduardo

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Re: [Etoys] [Etoys-notify] Commit from Pootle by user sayamindu
by Takashi Yamamiya 04 Feb '08

04 Feb '08

Hi Sayamindu, The file includes an error. Could you check it? $ msgfmt po/es/etoys.po po/es/etoys.po:14807: `msgid' and `msgstr' entries do not both begin with '\n' msgfmt: found 1 fatal error #: System-Support,Utilities_class>>readServerUpdatesThrough:saveLocally:updateImage: msgid "" "\n" "Would you like to try the next server?\n" "(Normally, all servers are identical, but sometimes a\n" "server won't let us store new files, and gets out of date.)" msgstr "" "Le gustaria intentar el proximo servidor?(Normalmente, todos los servidores " "son identicos, pero algunas veces un servidor no nos dejara guardar nuevos " "archivos y se vuelve obsoleto." Cheers, - Takashi On Jan 28, 2008 8:15 AM, Cron Daemon <root(a)crank.laptop.org> wrote: > Updating 8fbb1d9..6adbe22 > Fast forward > po/es/etoys.po | 8427 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > +--------------------------- > 1 files changed, 4302 insertions(+), 4125 deletions(-) > commit 6adbe226e1e7cca7a1c5c326897e9de5a3254227 > Author: Pootle Translation <pootle(a)dev.laptop.org> > Date: Mon Jan 28 11:10:01 2008 -0500 > > Commit from Pootle by user sayamindu. 3054 of 3660 messages > translated (37 fuzzy). > > At revision 104. > > _______________________________________________ > Etoys-notify mailing list > Etoys-notify(a)lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys-notify >

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[Etoys] Etoys font rendering
by Bert Freudenberg 03 Feb '08

03 Feb '08

Begin forwarded message: > From: "Walter Bender" <walter(a)laptop.org> > Date: February 2, 2008 19:30:19 GMT+01:00 > To: community-news(a)laptop.org > Subject: OLPC News 2008-02-02 > > Localization of OLPC for Afghanistan: Dr. Habib Khan reports that they > have started localization of Etoys (a major project, as it contains > 23,000+ strings). They have done some work in Urdu localization of > Etoys and almost 1000 strings are translated into the Dari language. > The next step is localization of Etoys ino Pashto. ... another reason to improve the font rendering in Etoys ASAP. - Bert -

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[Etoys] Opening file from ETOYS in OLPC
by Hilaire Fernandes 02 Feb '08

02 Feb '08

I am experiencing strange problem. I want to open XML DrGeo figure from the etoys image, I have prepapred a table morph with examples to load. It works fine from etoys-1815 in my linux worksation, but it does not work in OLPC notebook. The problem came when opening the file with StandardFileStream>>retryWithGC:until:forFileNamed: Any reason ? I have also moved the filename to parse in different location, it is still the same -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)]

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[Etoys] DrGeo bundle with Language, please test
by Hilaire Fernandes 02 Feb '08

02 Feb '08

I have packed a new bundle with french and spanish .mo languages files. I don't have the right xo update with joyride, nor the machine here, to test. Can someone with latest joyride give a test to the bundle http://squeak.ofset.org/drgeo/DrGeoII-test.xo and try to switch to french and spanish? For now I commited the tree in a subversion repository at http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/istoa/trunk/artefacts/drgeo/ Hilaire

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