Hi everyone,
in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased "uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons?
Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list?
Are you aware of the "Squeakland" mailing list that is specifically aimed towards using Etoys in education?
http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
Dear recent unsubscribers: Please accept my apologies for forwarding this message to you, but I'm sincerely interested if we could do better. Feel free to ignore or respond.
- Bert -
in my case, it was just trying to keep the packaging/bug reports noise down, Bert.
the ones that recently started being spit out by "Cron" are what put me over the top.
i'm a developer interested in the platform so the Squeakland list doesn't suit me. if you move housekeeping somewhere else, i'll resubscribe.
Bob Courchaine
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Hi everyone,
in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased "uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons?
Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list?
Are you aware of the "Squeakland" mailing list that is specifically aimed towards using Etoys in education?
http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaklandDear recent unsubscribers: Please accept my apologies for forwarding this message to you, but I'm sincerely interested if we could do better. Feel free to ignore or respond.
- Bert -
Hello,
I felt good to see those bugs closed, but I see that is not typical^^; Perhaps a Viewpoints mailing list for the default owner for etoys bugs would be better.
-- Yoshiki
At Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:36:11 -0500, Bob Courchaine wrote:
in my case, it was just trying to keep the packaging/bug reports noise down, Bert.
the ones that recently started being spit out by "Cron" are what put me over the top.
i'm a developer interested in the platform so the Squeakland list doesn't suit me. if you move housekeeping somewhere else, i'll resubscribe.
Bob Courchaine
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Hi everyone,
in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased "uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons?
Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list?
Are you aware of the "Squeakland" mailing list that is specifically aimed towards using Etoys in education?
http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeaklandDear recent unsubscribers: Please accept my apologies for forwarding this message to you, but I'm sincerely interested if we could do better. Feel free to ignore or respond.
- Bert -
Etoys mailing list Etoys@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys
Thanks, Bob. I also got a few more replies off-list.
I disabled the bug notifications and cron output for now. I'll see if we can get an "etoys-devel" list where these reports can be sent (or should that be an "etoys-commits" list with follow-up discussions going on here?)
This should take care of the more annoying noise. Also, to get the signal-noise ratio up maybe we can keep a little more communication on-list.
- Bert -
On Sep 18, 2007, at 18:36 , Bob Courchaine wrote:
in my case, it was just trying to keep the packaging/bug reports noise down, Bert.
the ones that recently started being spit out by "Cron" are what put me over the top.
i'm a developer interested in the platform so the Squeakland list doesn't suit me. if you move housekeeping somewhere else, i'll resubscribe.
Bob Courchaine
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Hi everyone, in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased "uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons? Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list? Are you aware of the "Squeakland" mailing list that is specifically aimed towards using Etoys in education? http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland Dear recent unsubscribers: Please accept my apologies for forwarding this message to you, but I'm sincerely interested if we could do better. Feel free to ignore or respond.
- Bert -
Hi Bert,
On Sep 18, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Hi everyone,
in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased "uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons?
Can be any of those. It's kind a life cycle come-and-go. Don't worry. Faithful followers stay.
Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list?
I don't think you should.
Are you aware of the "Squeakland" mailing list that is specifically aimed towards using Etoys in education?
http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
Dear recent unsubscribers: Please accept my apologies for forwarding this message to you, but I'm sincerely interested if we could do better. Feel free to ignore or respond.
- Bert -
Etoys mailing list Etoys@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing
from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased
"uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons?
Can't speak for others but I'll probably unsubscribe myself (or read it via gmane) if the ratio of "interesting" to "administrative" messages stays the way it is. For a list with very light traffic having two dozens Zarro Boogs per Child messages a day is a bit overwhelming.
Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list?
Depends on what the majority thinks. I don't know how many people try to follow developments closely vs. those who only observe at a distance. For the latter, using an NNTP service like gmane is often just as useful an option so I wouldn't rule things out either way.
Cheers, - Andreas
On Tue, Sep 18, 2007 at 06:28:22PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Hi everyone,
in the last days, I saw a strange increase in people unsubscribing from the OLPC-Etoys list. Is that because of increased "uninteresting" traffic from bug reports and packaging? Or because of OLPC's recent bad press? Or other reasons?
Should we perhaps move those non-user related messages to a different list?
I like keeping up with the etoys developers, so I subscribe to this list. I don't mind the bug messages, and I find them interesting, but I wouldn't subscribe to a list just for them. I'm mainly here to hear the discussions.
Are you aware of the "Squeakland" mailing list that is specifically aimed towards using Etoys in education?
I subscribe to that too.
etoys-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
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