UI October 2007

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RE: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
by Bill Schwab 01 Oct '07

01 Oct '07

Gary, Thanks for the insights. Please do not go to any great lengths on my behalf; if you think the button should remain on the left, I can live with that, especially if you are doing it to ease the transition for other users. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 10/01/07 6:26 AM >>> I could make the title button order available as a preference... For now you'd need to subclass the UIThemeSoftSqueak and override #configureWindowLabelAreaFor: with the version for Vistary. Your new theme subclass will appear in the preferences (you should also override #themeName on the class side). As for the legibility of button text with Vistary, I find it alright when using a FreeType font... As for corner handles, they were a bugger to fix to work properly! I'd prefer the old border/side behaviour with no handles as such. I could make this an option if there's sufficient interest. > -----Original Message----- > From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > Bill Schwab > Sent: 29 September 2007 3:23 pm > To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > Subject: Re: [UI] Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there > > > I knew I missed a question in my global reply - the corner handles. > They do not particularly bother me (I almost like them > actually), but if they go away, I won't scream about it. Now > that you mention it, you're right, they are ugly ;) > > Gary, something I just noticed is that the soft squeak theme > leaves the [x] button on the left of the title bar. I > _think_ I would move it to he right. That said, I gladly > defer to you judgement. BTW, I continue to be impressed with > your work. For reasons unknown, I switched back to the > Vistary theme and noted that you obviously can move the close > button; at first, I assumed you simply didn't mess with the > locations. > I would use the Vistary theme, but I find the buttons > difficult to read due to the lens effect, or more to the > point, its location. Of course, that is largely a result of > what you set out to emulate. I can envision writing a hybrid > theme that has lens effects near rectangle bounds, but that can wait. > > Bill > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > University of Florida > Department of Anesthesiology > PO Box 100254 > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > >>> asqueaker(a)gmail.com 09/27/07 10:10 PM >>> > Looks real good Bill! I especially like highlighting the > items in Lists the same as text highlighted in a text pane; a > big improvement over the red-on-gray list selections of past. > > Do you have a mind to ditch the corner handles? Aren't they > ugly? Not to mention redundant with the changing of the > mouse-pointer. I've also noticed (in 3.9 images) they creep > out of their bounds under certain circumstances like too > small a window-title font, or maybe square window corners too.. > > > On 9/27/07, Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > > This should do it: > > > > http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png > > > > Bill > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > University of Florida > > Department of Anesthesiology > > PO Box 100254 > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > > > >>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>> > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation problems I > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki > page, > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using > > Monitcello. Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the > new image. I > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter, > capturing a change > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less > the visual > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot > before I had > > time to break it :) > > > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start. What is the > proper way to > > make it available? I suppose the easiest thing is to put > it on my web > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to remotely access > our > > servers, so I can't do that right now. > > > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background > color of the > > browser's and debugger's code pane. I would hope for the > debugger's > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they > currently show it > > only for the top line. Ironically, the workspace in the > image is not > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct > > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color > only > > to a point, after which the default white takes over. > > > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that > similar changes > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me. > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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RE: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there
by Bill Schwab 01 Oct '07

01 Oct '07

Gary, That sounds like it will work. I will try it shortly. Thanks! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 10/01/07 10:54 AM >>> And if you want Shout workspaces to do the same add this also to PluggableShoutMorph instance methods: initialColorInSystemWindow: aSystemWindow "Answer the default colour for shout morphs as a top-level pane in a system window." ^self defaultColor > -----Original Message----- > From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > Gary Chambers > Sent: 01 October 2007 11:21 am > To: 'Squeak's User Interface' > Subject: RE: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there > > > These things are tricky. I support, in Widgets, an overridable > #initialColorInSystemWindow: method. Sadly the shout editor > is embedded in an alignment morph so it is hard to driectly > target the colour to the shout morph without having a blanket > colour for all alignments say. > > Also, the initial colour gets overriden by the theme for lists... > > I think the safest option for you, for the moment, is to > extend the instance side of PluggableShoutMorph with the following: > > defaultColor > "Answer the default colour for shout morphs." > > ^Color r: 255 g: 255 b: 230 range: 255 > > Hope this helps... > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of > > Bill Schwab > > Sent: 30 September 2007 4:48 pm > > To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > Subject: Re: [UI] Re: Fwd: Workspace backgrounds - almost there > > > > > > I really didn't do much, so the credit belongs to OA (for > > doing it in Dolphin), Gary for the overall appearance, and > > Andy Tween's stunning work on Shout. Maybe Andy can give us > > some advice on where to change background colors. I could > > live with its being limited to Shout workspaces - especially > > if the alternative is not having anywhere ;) > > My only concern re Shout is that I typically do not use the > > workspace extension, because I often use workspaces (the > > system window variety) for notes more than code. > > > > The ideal solution changes the background of workspaces in > > inspectors, the debugger, browsers, and workspace system > > windows. Basically, anywhere do-it and friends are > > available, the background color is appropriate. If there is > > a good place to hack to get that effect, I can certainly do > > it, but it seems that Squeak should be able to do this w/o > > the need to edit code that is maintained by others. > > > > It case you want to reproduce it, the color is > > > > Color r:1.0 g:1.0 b:230.0/255 > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > University of Florida > > Department of Anesthesiology > > PO Box 100254 > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > >>> klaus.witzel(a)cobss.com 09/27/07 11:04 PM >>> > > That looks great ! > > > > On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 01:21:55 +0200, Bill Schwab wrote: > > > > > This should do it: > > > > > > http://needle.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/UI-almost.png > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. > > > University of Florida > > > Department of Anesthesiology > > > PO Box 100254 > > > Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 > > > > > > Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu > > > Tel: (352) 846-1285 > > > FAX: (352) 392-7029 > > > > > > > > >>>> Bill Schwab 9/25/2007 11:16:34 PM >>> > > > I did some fiddling to try to reproduce the installation > problems I > > > had, added a reminder about the Damien's dev image to the UI swiki > > page, > > > downloaded it, and did an installation of Gary's widgets using > > > Monitcello. Then I moved my BibTeX helper code into the > > new image. I > > > appear to have made a happy mistake in the latter, > > capturing a change > > > that I considered redundant, and ended up with more or less > > the visual > > > changes I was trying to create, and grabbed a screenshot > > before I had > > > time to break it :) > > > > > > I will probably send it to Gary as a start. What is the > > proper way to > > > make it available? I suppose the easiest thing is to put > > it on my web > > > page, but I have not yet learned how to use Linux to > remotely access > > our > > > servers, so I can't do that right now. > > > > > > When it becomes available, you will notice the background > > color of the > > > browser's and debugger's code pane. I would hope for the > > debugger's > > > inspector panes to be so colored also, though they > > currently show it > > > only for the top line. Ironically, the workspace in the > > image is not > > > correctly colored, though a newly-created instance has the correct > > > color, though, as in the debugger's inspectors, it shows the color > > only > > > to a point, after which the default white takes over. > > > > > > Again, this is not a super big deal, but I find that > > similar changes > > > that OA made to Dolphin long ago grew on me. > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > _______________________________________________ > > UI mailing list > > UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > > > > _______________________________________________ > UI mailing list > UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui > _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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IDE extensions
by Bill Schwab 01 Oct '07

01 Oct '07

Another Dolphin concept that Squeak would do well to emulate is triggering an event when new tool shells are opened. This allows easy creation of extensions to the IDE, w/o having to modify base system code that can clash with future updates. Any time a relevant shell is opened, it triggers #viewOpened: off of its _class_, with itself as an argument. Then one can do things like Debugger when:#viewOpened: send:#hackDebuggerMenu to:self to modify menus, etc. It might be of greater utility in Dolphin than in Squeak, but any gaps might stimulate improvements in Squeak. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029

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