RE: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?)
David,
Probably this is entirely unrelated, but...
For the last several days, a week or more I guess, we've had a problem with source.squeak.org and I begin to wonder if there is not some common denominator here. In brief the source.squeak.org process will not run under supervise, the exact behavior has varied as I've tried different things, but most commonly the squeak process ends up as a defunct process (it 'dies' but supervise doesn't realize it has). I frankly haven't spent a lot of time trying to work out what is going wrong, for now I'm just starting it manually. I feel like I must be missing something obvious...
I wonder if sometime over the weekend or perhaps next week you might have some time to chat with me, perhaps over Google Chat? Perhaps between the two of us we can improve both source.squeak.org and squeaksource.com.
Ken
P.S. For those wondering, I can't email David directly, probably because my SPF is fouled up or his provider doesn't like GoDaddy (who does? and don't ask). The last I heard though he does get my email through the list.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) From: "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 7:26 pm To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
The image is now showing 10 session handler processes in the process browser. Presumably these are related to the failed upload requests.
I do not understand the cause of this problem, and it may be that I should revert the changes that I did earlier today (in which I put squeaksource under the control of the supervise(8) for starting the image).
But I suspect that the problem lies elsewhere, so for I will make a copy of the broken image for debugging, then terminate the excess processes. This should clear the problem temporarily. I will follow up with another email within about 30 minutes.
Dave
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:28:18AM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
Thanks David, it went back to normal speed for a moment, but is now rejecting my upload requests again (most will timeout, some do work intermittently)...
2013/11/14 David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:55:55PM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
Yes, let's remove the alarms. But it has to be functional. Currently, I can connect on the web interface and I can download, but all my upload are failing with timeout... Any idea?
I made some changes to the launch script for squeaksource.com earlier today:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/box-admins/2013-November/001598....
It is possible that this may be related to the problem you are seeing (I am not sure at this point).
I tried loading some packages from squeaksource a few minutes ago, and it was slow but functional. However, checking the image I see 15 active SSession handlers in a ProcessBrowser. This is not right, and it appears to be a recurrence of a problem that we have seen previously on an intermittent basis, both on squeaksource.com and (probably) on source.squeak.org.
I will terminate the runaway session handler processes, which I hope will clear up the immediate problem.
More to follow I'm sure ...
Dave
2013/11/14 Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de
On 14.11.2013, at 13:04, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
> The welcome (sic) message on the SqueakSource home page is overly
alarming,
> and IMHO should be changed to something that encourages new
projects to
> be created elsewhere, but that does not cause alarm for existing
usurs.
> But that is a policy decision, and I will defer to the Squeak board
and
> the Squeak community on this.
+1
I think we should we should delete the "ATTENTION!" line but leave
the
note about creation of projects being disabled.
Yep.
- Bert -
Thanks Ken,
Let's try for some time this weekend. I am in Eastern Standard Time (Michigan USA). Please give me a time that will work for you. I do not have a computer that works with Google Chat (*), but I can boot into Windows for a while to get access.
Dave
(*) Even my google phone does not work, because the battery runs dead if I install Google+. I had a perfectly good Chrome browser on my Linux machine which suddenly refused to do gmail or google anything else until I upgraded the browser. So I upgraded it and got a shiny new version of Chrome that does not run on my system because my system is "too old". This is just like Microsoft all over again, I have no patience for it.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 06:52:09PM -0700, Ken Causey wrote:
David,
Probably this is entirely unrelated, but...
For the last several days, a week or more I guess, we've had a problem with source.squeak.org and I begin to wonder if there is not some common denominator here. In brief the source.squeak.org process will not run under supervise, the exact behavior has varied as I've tried different things, but most commonly the squeak process ends up as a defunct process (it 'dies' but supervise doesn't realize it has). I frankly haven't spent a lot of time trying to work out what is going wrong, for now I'm just starting it manually. I feel like I must be missing something obvious...
I wonder if sometime over the weekend or perhaps next week you might have some time to chat with me, perhaps over Google Chat? Perhaps between the two of us we can improve both source.squeak.org and squeaksource.com.
Ken
P.S. For those wondering, I can't email David directly, probably because my SPF is fouled up or his provider doesn't like GoDaddy (who does? and don't ask). The last I heard though he does get my email through the list.
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Box-Admins] Re: [squeak-dev] SqueakSource.com home page (was: Fix for OSProcess - Where to commit?) From: "David T. Lewis" lewis@mail.msen.com Date: Thu, November 14, 2013 7:26 pm To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Cc: box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
The image is now showing 10 session handler processes in the process browser. Presumably these are related to the failed upload requests.
I do not understand the cause of this problem, and it may be that I should revert the changes that I did earlier today (in which I put squeaksource under the control of the supervise(8) for starting the image).
But I suspect that the problem lies elsewhere, so for I will make a copy of the broken image for debugging, then terminate the excess processes. This should clear the problem temporarily. I will follow up with another email within about 30 minutes.
Dave
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 01:28:18AM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
Thanks David, it went back to normal speed for a moment, but is now rejecting my upload requests again (most will timeout, some do work intermittently)...
2013/11/14 David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 10:55:55PM +0100, Nicolas Cellier wrote:
Yes, let's remove the alarms. But it has to be functional. Currently, I can connect on the web interface and I can download, but all my upload are failing with timeout... Any idea?
I made some changes to the launch script for squeaksource.com earlier today:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/box-admins/2013-November/001598....
It is possible that this may be related to the problem you are seeing (I am not sure at this point).
I tried loading some packages from squeaksource a few minutes ago, and it was slow but functional. However, checking the image I see 15 active SSession handlers in a ProcessBrowser. This is not right, and it appears to be a recurrence of a problem that we have seen previously on an intermittent basis, both on squeaksource.com and (probably) on source.squeak.org.
I will terminate the runaway session handler processes, which I hope will clear up the immediate problem.
More to follow I'm sure ...
Dave
2013/11/14 Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de
On 14.11.2013, at 13:04, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
>> The welcome (sic) message on the SqueakSource home page is overly alarming, >> and IMHO should be changed to something that encourages new
projects to
>> be created elsewhere, but that does not cause alarm for existing
usurs.
>> But that is a policy decision, and I will defer to the Squeak board
and
>> the Squeak community on this. > > +1 > > I think we should we should delete the "ATTENTION!" line but leave
the
> note about creation of projects being disabled.
Yep.
- Bert -
box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
-
David T. Lewis -
Ken Causey