etoys-dev June 2008

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[Etoys] Please help us for translation (An experimental version of OLPC image for non-XO environments)
by Yoshiki Ohshima 06 Jun '08

06 Jun '08

Hello, We are still trying to package the Etoys for non-XO environments, along with, of course, for XO. Currently, end of June is the *real* target of release day of non-XO packages. The idea is to put relatively small set of languages in it, and it looks like English, German and French are most complete ones. (Thank you!) But, for the US audience, (new world's) Spanish is also important. And Portugese (br and pt) seems to be fairly good to me, but of course I can't tell the quality right away. Can you help us giving the information of the translation quality and completeness for these languages? For the non-XO environment, we will not have good font rendering mechanism other than what we have now, so still the main target is the Latin languages. The completeness doesn't have to be so close to 100%, as now many of the phrases are not for Etoys (rather for the Smalltalk development). But we would like to hear the opinions of the native speakers. Please visit https://dev.laptop.org/translate/ and see how far the translation are going in terms of quality and coverages. Bert told us that there is an old style .translation file for Spanish. We can convert it to .po file, but not sure again if we should merge them to the site, as it might wipe out newly translated phrases. Does anybody has good ideas how to proceed? Thank you! -- Yoshiki

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Re: [Etoys] [Squeakland] How to run a sript made in the world
by Korakurider 06 Jun '08

06 Jun '08

On 6/4/08, Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> wrote: > > On 04.06.2008, at 12:04, Paula Alexandra Gomes da Silva wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > I need to execute a script that i made in the world. I did it in the > > world because i needed to use the input commands. But now i need to > > create another script that runs this script i created in the world as > > well as others i created on other objects. For objects in general i > > can use the scripting options to "call a script", but this is not > > available for the world. > > > > Can someone please help me solving this? > > > > > Calling a script is much simpler - just drag the script tile from the viewer > into a script, as if it was a regular tile (which, in fact, it is). > > - Bert - > Yes , this is handy. But why not get World to have scripting category? /Korakurider

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[Etoys] More maintenance on Tinlizzie
by Takashi Yamamiya 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Hi, all. There is some problem on Tinlizzie (and squeakalpha) again so I will reboot the machine now. I hope it will be solved soon... Cheers, - Takashi

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[Etoys] [ann] etoys project page
by karl ramberg 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

I have made a page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Project_sampler I invite people to test the project there, suggest improvements and to upload their own projects. Karl

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[Etoys] squeak image sometimes takes very long to be responsive after XO suspend
by Ties Stuij 05 Jun '08

05 Jun '08

Hey dear lists, We at OLE Nepal have some trouble with squeak images coming out of XO suspend. Basically when coming out of suspend, the Squeak process takes up lots of cpu power and can be unresponsive for about a minute on build 703 (other builds not yet tested). Also we loose sound. Which sometimes comes back after a while. Either on it's own or perhaps because another application is opened. This could be a coincidence though. Especially the unresponsiveness is a problem, because it messes up the classes. Typically a teacher will explain a concept after which the students will do an activity for a short while. After which they will close the XO again to go on with the rest of the course. The XO's can't stay open because they are to distractive and because they eat battery power, and perhaps take up to much space (the benches these children work at are tiny). Having to either wait for the activity, or restart the image (or XO, whatever the child feels comfortable with) kills the flow, and the children get very impatient. Any pointers to the cause and/or solutions would be greatly appreciated. I'll add appropriate tickets to trac shortly. /Ties

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[Etoys] Tinlizzie server down
by Takashi Yamamiya 04 Jun '08

04 Jun '08

Hi all, Tinlizzie.org server (etoys update server) is offline for maintainance today. It will take at least a couple of hours. Cheers, - Takashi

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[Etoys] How to merge Spanish translations
by Korakurider 03 Jun '08

03 Jun '08

Hi, On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 6:15 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki(a)vpri.org> wrote: > Bert told us that there is an old style .translation file > for Spanish. We can convert it to .po file, but not sure again if we > should merge them to the site, as it might wipe out newly translated > phrases. Does anybody has good ideas how to proceed? I would suggest NOT to upload new po directly. You could do offline compare among several POs by poconflicts tool of translation toolkit (http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/poconflicts). After cherrypicking good ones and merging them to master po by off-line hand edit, you could upload the po to Pootle or repo. I have looked into this: +++++ from here +++++++++++++ HOW TO REVIEW CONFLICTS (1) Prepare LinEx image + grab the image (http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/etoys/2008-May/002361.html) + update it to the latest version of etoys 3.0. (2) Extract PO of LinEx by the extractor of OLPC Etoys + switch language to Spanish + evalute this: GetTextExporter2 new exportTranslator: (InternalTranslator newLocaleID: LocaleID current). Then es.po is created under po/etoys. Note additional packages like DrGeo/ZOODT have been installed into the image and the po contains translatable phrases also for them. If you want to exclude them, evaluate this before export: TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Classroom' domain: 'Classroom'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Connectors-FSM' domain: 'Connectors-FSM'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'DrGeoII' domain: 'DrGeo'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Logics''s Gate' domain: 'LogcisGate'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Morphic-Basic-NewCurve' domain: 'MorphNewCurve'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Morphic-Games-Atomic' domain: 'MorphGameA'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Morphic-Games-Imported' domain: 'MorphGameI'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'OpenOffice' domain: 'OpenOffice'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Skelton' domain: 'Skelton'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Speech' domain: 'Speech'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'SuperPartBin' domain: 'SPartBin'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'Tuzitala' domain: 'Tusitala'. TextDomainManager registerCategoryPrefix: 'ZOO' domain: 'ZOO'. (I only checked difference of package among them and might miss other changes. And ofcourse you could configure other setting for translation domain) (3) Compare POs with poconflicts + download latest PO from pootle (https://dev.laptop.org/translate/es/etoys/etoys.po) + place both po into some folder (say "po") + execute: poconflicts po conflicts ------ to here -------------------- This results 105 conflicts (attached) of 4405 phrases. This might be still too many to review in given period to finish, but could be possible. If folks working on Spanish could form translation team and review and merge them (and unify them if possible), it would be really great ! Actually LinEx's translation dictioinary have >6000 phrases. >2000 phrases don't match to the latest POT of OLPC Etoys. I am reviewing them right now. Those include: a) phrases for additional packages installed in LinEx image: ----> we could write fix (i.e. bunch of #translatedNoop) to LinEx or the packages to extract POTs if it could help someone. b) phrases we are still missing in OLPC Etoys image. ----> I will fill ticket and propose fix. c) obsoleted strings; I couldn't find it in source code of the image. ----> we could throw away :-) Then all of phrases in the image (excluding obsolete ones) could be migrated without any loss of the effort by LinEx folks... Cheers, /Korakurider

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[Etoys] PolygonMorph
by antonio 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Hello, It can be useful to introduce "allow new vertices" at the Polygon menu: On > you can see all the handles (circles and triangles) Off > only circles. If you want a line for measure distances, let to introduce points is a problem, or if you want to explain all kind of triangles -for example- you would like to have only circles. Here it is the cs file. Regards

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[Etoys] Upcoming talk
by Joe Apuzzo 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Thanks for all the suggestions I will be using something from everyone who replayed. I did look at all the video of Alan Kay that people pointed me to. So now I have this idea of creating my slides within Squeak! so that within the slide itself I can demo eToys one by one. Also then people can download the image and actually play with the morphs demoed. So..... what image should I uses as the base? What image has the most/best eToys Morphs? (along with all the OLPC projects) Joe Apuzzo Gnu_Joe www.mhvlug.org

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[Etoys] Etoys documentation in Spanish
by Yoshiki Ohshima 02 Jun '08

02 Jun '08

Hello, I came back from an OLPC event held in Cambridge, MA and saw a lot of people from Latin America countries. Uruguay and Peru are officially deploying hundreds of thousands of XO laptops, and other countries are trying to do similar or smaller scale pilot test. The "vibe" (as Alan wrote) or the feeling of "making progress" was very strong. During the event, I was asked a lot of times about documentation in Spanish. I know there are bunch of documentation done in Spanish (in Latin America and in Spain), but I couldn't point out many of them by myself. I merely managed to point to the translation of the Powerful Ideas book but that was it. I think it would be nice to have a place to share these documentations, and have a single location to look at. Let us say if we have a good "documentation and curriculum" section on http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys/lang-es, and people who have done documentations in Spanish add theirs to it, that would be nice. If you think it is a good idea, please start the section on the wiki and add the documentations? I will later check the page and let the people who are doing deployment and contents making in these countries know about it. Thank you! -- Yoshiki

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