Box-Admins November 2011

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Beginners Mailing List Administration/Moderation
by Ken Causey 30 Nov '11

30 Nov '11

Thanks Bob, I've heard from Giovanni and unfortunately work has taken over for him and he doesn't have time to administer the beginners mailing list any longer. As you may be aware there are two categories of 'administrators' for mailman mailing lists: administrators and moderators. The way the list is currently configured you, "Bob Courchaine" <bobc(a)nfldinet.com>, are listed as the only 'administrator'. (Giovanni was one but has asked to be removed and I have done so.) Then there are three 'moderators': "Thushar G R" <thushar.gr(a)gmail.com>, "Michaeal Davies" <mykdavies(a)gmail.com>, and "Ziya Suzen" <ziya(a)suzen.net>. Moderators have one task which is to deal with the moderation queue and there is a separate interface with this with a separate password and this is the only interface to which a moderator would normally have access. Administrators on the other hand have full access to the administrative interface for the mailing list which includes the moderation queue as well as the overall mailing list settings, membership management, etc. An administrator is expected to take responsibility for the list overall, with backing from the Box Admins team when needed. As I said above you are currently listed as an 'administrator' and I hope you will be willing to take and continue in that responsibility. Also as I said above there are three others listed as moderator; presumably, given the size of the moderation queue, they have forgotten this. I have included them in the Cc for this email and I hope they will speak up and be willing to continue in that duty, assuming it is needed. Additionally I have Cc'ed Casey Ransberger who has expressed a willingness to help out if it is needed and you may want to speak with him if you feel you would appreciate his help. Assuming you are willing to act as administrator I propose the following: 1. I generate new administrator and moderator passwords, set them in the mailman interface, and give these to you. (In practice the moderation queue can be accessed with either the administrator or moderator password.) 2. I 'nuke' the current moderation queue as it is simply too large to moderate in a normal fashion. 3. You continue as before and speak with the other moderators and possibly Casey about how to proceed with moderation in the future. Assuming the other moderators are willing to continue in that position I would ask that they contact you and coordinate with you and get the moderation password (which I will have given you) from you. In the long run I think it worth considering eliminating the bulk of the need to moderate the mailing list by setting the list to discard all messages from non-subscribers. The beginners list is one of the last to not take this step. The list is a bit different and I understand why you might want to take this route. It might be worth discussing with the list members however. I can offer the ability to automatically whitelist anyone who is subscribed already to the squeak-dev mailing list. Please get back to me and if you are willing I will start the process I outlined above. Thanks, Ken On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Bob Courchaine <bobc(a)nfldinet.com> wrote: > i am still interested in helping, Ken. let me know the particulars and > i'll get back at it! > > re: Giovanni, yes, he and i had shared the duties of spam patrol but > i've not heard from/of him for some time.

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Re: Lists behind on Moderation (shame shame) (was Re: [Box-Admins] Cannot clear spam queue on squeak-dev)
by Ken Causey 29 Nov '11

29 Nov '11

Hello Bob, Are you still interested in helping? I may be able to help get you setup again. I assume Giovanni recruited you and I would like to hear from him. Ken On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Bob Courchaine <bobc(a)nfldinet.com> wrote: > *finally!* > > folks, i had been helping w/ taking care of the spam, pretty much on a > daily basis. > > but a year or so ago my HDD crapped out and my Firefox cache was my > only pointer to the admin password. > > i tried several times to raise someone to pass it along but none of > the maint emails i came across generated any response. > > at that point i gave up, hoping the mounting pile would catch > someone's eye like it did here. > > so, sorry for the mess but honestly i tried. > > that said, i'm still out here. if my help is still needed i'll be > happy to step back in. just send along the necessary login creds and i > can re-integrate it into my morning routine. > > Bob Courchaine > Northfield, MN > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:29 PM, Casey Ransberger > <casey.obrien.r(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Inline and somewhat abridged. >> >> >> On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Ken Causey <klcausey(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Casey, >> >> I hope you don't mind my taking this opportunity to also call out a >> few others who have let their lists get behind on moderation.

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Re: Lists behind on Moderation (shame shame) (was Re: [Box-Admins] Cannot clear spam queue on squeak-dev)
by Casey Ransberger 29 Nov '11

29 Nov '11

Inline and somewhat abridged. On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Ken Causey <klcausey(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Casey, > > I hope you don't mind my taking this opportunity to also call out a > few others who have let their lists get behind on moderation. Not in the least. Sorry guys! I got us in twuble... > It sounds like you have a valid excuse and so get a pass, but I believe > these others deserve a rap on the wrist. There's no such thing as a valid excuse. I'll sign up for that wrist-rapping. > If you are not going to moderate please set the list to discard all > messages from all non-subscribers. > > Casey: please see in-line comment below. Done. > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Casey Ransberger > <casey.obrien.r(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Unfortunately, I can't see the list, so there's no way for me to know whether or not there's any legitimate posts in there. > > You should be receiving a forward of each message if you are properly > set as a list moderator. This can be annoying but if you take the > time to look through these and, while you are unable to moderate, set > aside those that are valid then you have the information you need when > you can moderate again to either quickly find the relevant messages or > to give me if more manual intervention is required. Ah! That's what that's for;) I setup an address to catch all that noise. If I am ever unable to get into the moderator interface again, I'll look here. I'm still new to this game, my apologies. Out of curiosity, have you already nuked the queue? I can check to see if there's anything legit using that address if you haven't blown it out already. >> FWIW, I haven't seen a legit post in there yet. Clearing it out is probably the best plan. >> >> In the future I will be more vigilant about handling this on a weekly basis; my Internet was out for awhile and it took forever to get it fixed. I probably should have tried handling it on my phone, but I didn't think of that (d'oh!) This looks like an excuse. There aren't valid ones. I offer them from time to time as explanations, but I don't expect the explanation to excuse my failure. It's just "this is what happened" in debrief. Dig it? I stay culpable, even with explanation. >> I'm really sorry about the inconvenience. Lesson learned on my part. >> >> Thanks again, >> >> Casey > > Understood. And you are welcome, Which is again much appreciated. I know you want to release the box-admin role and get on with it, so I'm bummed that I had to bother you. > Ken >>

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Re: [Box-Admins] Cannot clear spam queue on squeak-dev
by Casey Ransberger 28 Nov '11

28 Nov '11

Unfortunately, I can't see the list, so there's no way for me to know whether or not there's any legitimate posts in there. FWIW, I haven't seen a legit post in there yet. Clearing it out is probably the best plan. In the future I will be more vigilant about handling this on a weekly basis; my Internet was out for awhile and it took forever to get it fixed. I probably should have tried handling it on my phone, but I didn't think of that (d'oh!) I'm really sorry about the inconvenience. Lesson learned on my part. Thanks again, Casey On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:06 AM, Ken Causey <klcausey(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, if the queue piles up too high that does happen. I can clear it > out for you. Do you know (as in have an identifying number for) any > that you would do anything to other than simply discard? If so let me > know what they are and I will see what I can do. Otherwise all I can > do is delete them all. I will wait to hear back from you. > > Ken > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Casey Ransberger > <casey.obrien.r(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I tried to clear out the spam on squeak-dev and got stuck after clicking to handle pending moderator requests. The page never loads. >> >> It's been an egregious long while since I've had time to tend to this, and so this may well be my own fault:/ >> >> Not sure what to do next. Any advice from the box administrators? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Casey >> > > > > -- > http://kencausey.com/ > Custom Software Solutions and Consulting > Leveraging the Power and Flexibility of Open Source and Free Software

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Cannot clear spam queue on squeak-dev
by Casey Ransberger 27 Nov '11

27 Nov '11

I tried to clear out the spam on squeak-dev and got stuck after clicking to handle pending moderator requests. The page never loads. It's been an egregious long while since I've had time to tend to this, and so this may well be my own fault:/ Not sure what to do next. Any advice from the box administrators? Thanks in advance, Casey

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trying to get a better handle on what we have
by merlyn＠stonehenge.com 15 Nov '11

15 Nov '11

I know I've probably been told this before, but, hey, I'm getting old. What boxes is "squeak-central" responsible for, and who has all the keys? I know I'm root on squeak.org, and I'm cloning the data from there to my company server for squeakmap, squeaksource, squeak.org, and the wiki. What else lives out there? Who runs it? Who are we paying? Who pays? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

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