I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
The fact that you have to do something to get the information, I believe, causes you to look more closely.
Also, my summary here is a bit simplistic since I gloss over the variations that occur when I think I have found something out of the norm. This happens regularly but it's rarely anything worthy of note once I look; but I have to look more closely to know. And how to look more closely varies considerably based on what is found.
The human element is essential in my opinion, until we achieve hard AI goals anyway.
Ken
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] My daily rituals (was RE: Welcome Steve and Casey) From: Steven Elkins sgelkins@gmail.com Date: Sat, February 05, 2011 4:37 pm To: Squeak Hosting Support box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
No, I don't take it as directed at me. I think it's important to to say what I have time to do. If it isn't enough, fine, no worries. I can commit to 10 minutes every few days. What I can't promise is that if there's a problem, I'll always have time to investigate and/or fix it. Often I would be checking just before leaving for work.
Thanks for the summary of responsibilities. A lot of it sounds like a job for a script run via cron (or whatever), with saved reports and/or email to this list.
Cheers, Steve
Sure, there's no substitute for the human element. What daily reports provide is history. My memory isn't always perfect. :))
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
The fact that you have to do something to get the information, I believe, causes you to look more closely.
Also, my summary here is a bit simplistic since I gloss over the variations that occur when I think I have found something out of the norm. This happens regularly but it's rarely anything worthy of note once I look; but I have to look more closely to know. And how to look more closely varies considerably based on what is found.
The human element is essential in my opinion, until we achieve hard AI goals anyway.
Ken
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] My daily rituals (was RE: Welcome Steve and Casey) From: Steven Elkins sgelkins@gmail.com Date: Sat, February 05, 2011 4:37 pm To: Squeak Hosting Support box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
No, I don't take it as directed at me. I think it's important to to say what I have time to do. If it isn't enough, fine, no worries. I can
commit
to 10 minutes every few days. What I can't promise is that if there's a problem, I'll always have time to investigate and/or fix it. Often I
would
be checking just before leaving for work.
Thanks for the summary of responsibilities. A lot of it sounds like a
job
for a script run via cron (or whatever), with saved reports and/or email
to
this list.
Cheers, Steve
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
Instead of regularly e-mailing the reports, we could have it e-mail only when the automated job sees something wrong or suspicious.
Automated reports can still be saved off in a log directory for "history" if that's desirable.
- Chris
Hi guys,
On 07. 02. 2011 17:17, Chris Muller wrote:
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
Instead of regularly e-mailing the reports, we could have it e-mail only when the automated job sees something wrong or suspicious.
Automated reports can still be saved off in a log directory for "history" if that's desirable.
Just FYI, Nagios monitoring is already set for the server and website and emails are coming to me and Ken if something is wrong.
I can add others to that list, because this can be the fastest way to automate the monitoring of the server.
Best regards Janko from WebTeam
Oh! Yeah, I'd like to get nagios nags. Where do I sign up:)
On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek@eranova.si wrote:
Hi guys,
On 07. 02. 2011 17:17, Chris Muller wrote:
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
Instead of regularly e-mailing the reports, we could have it e-mail only when the automated job sees something wrong or suspicious.
Automated reports can still be saved off in a log directory for "history" if that's desirable.
Just FYI, Nagios monitoring is already set for the server and website and emails are coming to me and Ken if something is wrong.
I can add others to that list, because this can be the fastest way to automate the monitoring of the server.
Best regards Janko from WebTeam
Hi Casey,
On 07. 02. 2011 21:39, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Oh! Yeah, I'd like to get nagios nags. Where do I sign up:)
I added you on the list of contacts to send notifications.
This Nagios is otherwise running on my reserve hosting location monitoring primarily my hosting server, then my customer's servers and finally a Squeak server too.
Best regards Janko
On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek@eranova.si wrote:
Hi guys,
On 07. 02. 2011 17:17, Chris Muller wrote:
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
Instead of regularly e-mailing the reports, we could have it e-mail only when the automated job sees something wrong or suspicious.
Automated reports can still be saved off in a log directory for "history" if that's desirable.
Just FYI, Nagios monitoring is already set for the server and website and emails are coming to me and Ken if something is wrong.
I can add others to that list, because this can be the fastest way to automate the monitoring of the server.
Best regards Janko from WebTeam
Thanks!
On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek@eranova.si wrote:
Hi Casey,
On 07. 02. 2011 21:39, Casey Ransberger wrote:
Oh! Yeah, I'd like to get nagios nags. Where do I sign up:)
I added you on the list of contacts to send notifications.
This Nagios is otherwise running on my reserve hosting location monitoring primarily my hosting server, then my customer's servers and finally a Squeak server too.
Best regards Janko
On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Janko Mivšek janko.mivsek@eranova.si wrote:
Hi guys,
On 07. 02. 2011 17:17, Chris Muller wrote:
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
Instead of regularly e-mailing the reports, we could have it e-mail only when the automated job sees something wrong or suspicious.
Automated reports can still be saved off in a log directory for "history" if that's desirable.
Just FYI, Nagios monitoring is already set for the server and website and emails are coming to me and Ken if something is wrong.
I can add others to that list, because this can be the fastest way to automate the monitoring of the server.
Best regards Janko from WebTeam
Yeah, I'm not saying we should automate everything and then stop paying attention. But of .org goes sideways or something, it sure would be nice to get an email shortly thereafter. Defense-in-depth is totally the wrong phrase here, but I think folks will probably get my drift.
On Feb 7, 2011, at 8:17 AM, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 5:19 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
I thought about mentioning automation because I don't really think it's a good idea in this case. What's important here is often tiny details and I know from experience that regularly emailed reports that are much the same all the time get very little scrutiny.
Instead of regularly e-mailing the reports, we could have it e-mail only when the automated job sees something wrong or suspicious.
Automated reports can still be saved off in a log directory for "history" if that's desirable.
- Chris
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