On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
Squeakers,
It seems likely that Gandi won't renew our donated services, and even more, they are shutting down the coloc facility where box3.squeak.org lives as of 2016-12-01.
As such, I really suggest we move box3 and box4 off of Gandi's hosting services onto the Rackspace services that we can get donated for you.
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
- Bert -
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
Squeakers,
It seems likely that Gandi won't renew our donated services, and even more, they are shutting down the coloc facility where box3.squeak.org lives as of 2016-12-01.
As such, I really suggest we move box3 and box4 off of Gandi's hosting services onto the Rackspace services that we can get donated for you.
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
Dave
Hi,
On 29.08.2016, at 18:52, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
Squeakers,
It seems likely that Gandi won't renew our donated services, and even more, they are shutting down the coloc facility where box3.squeak.org lives as of 2016-12-01.
As such, I really suggest we move box3 and box4 off of Gandi's hosting services onto the Rackspace services that we can get donated for you.
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
FWIW, The last person that spoke technically with Bradley was me. If I can be of help…
Best regards -Tobias
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 07:04:48PM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:
Hi,
On 29.08.2016, at 18:52, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
Squeakers,
It seems likely that Gandi won't renew our donated services, and even more, they are shutting down the coloc facility where box3.squeak.org lives as of 2016-12-01.
As such, I really suggest we move box3 and box4 off of Gandi's hosting services onto the Rackspace services that we can get donated for you.
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
FWIW, The last person that spoke technically with Bradley was me. If I can be of help?
Tobias,
Per Tim, I think that Chris is our "official" point of contact, but you are also very familiar with the server infrastructure, so I think that if you could respond to Bradley with CC to Chris and box-admins, that would be very helpful. The important thing is to make sure that Bradley knows that we got the message and that we are taking it seriously.
Thanks, Dave
Hi David
On 29.08.2016, at 19:43, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 07:04:48PM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:
Hi,
On 29.08.2016, at 18:52, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
FWIW, The last person that spoke technically with Bradley was me. If I can be of help?
Tobias,
Per Tim, I think that Chris is our "official" point of contact, but you are also very familiar with the server infrastructure, so I think that if you could respond to Bradley with CC to Chris and box-admins, that would be very helpful. The important thing is to make sure that Bradley knows that we got the message and that we are taking it seriously.
Well, I didn't mean to skip official contacts here. I just may be able to answer one or the other question. Also, Bradley typically hangs out in a certain IRC channel, were we talked about some changes that are necessary to our servers (unrelated to the current issue). I think it is better if Chris remains in contact…
Best regards -Tobias
Hi guys, I don't quite know how or when I became the "official" contact. I'm not opposed to doing it, but is there a reason to restrict ourselves to a single contact point? We have squeak@sfcconservancy.org for all of us..
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 2:24 PM, Tobias Pape Das.Linux@gmx.de wrote:
Hi David
On 29.08.2016, at 19:43, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 07:04:48PM +0200, Tobias Pape wrote:
Hi,
On 29.08.2016, at 18:52, David T. Lewis lewis@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote: As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
FWIW, The last person that spoke technically with Bradley was me. If I can be of help?
Tobias,
Per Tim, I think that Chris is our "official" point of contact, but you are also very familiar with the server infrastructure, so I think that if you could respond to Bradley with CC to Chris and box-admins, that would be very helpful. The important thing is to make sure that Bradley knows that we got the message and that we are taking it seriously.
Well, I didn't mean to skip official contacts here. I just may be able to answer one or the other question. Also, Bradley typically hangs out in a certain IRC channel, were we talked about some changes that are necessary to our servers (unrelated to the current issue). I think it is better if Chris remains in contact…
Best regards -Tobias
I wonder why I haven't received any of the previous emails in this thread.
Anyway, if there's really an account ready for us to use, then we should decide on what the parameters of the new server should be.
I suppose 4 GB of ram, 2 cores would be enough to run all services smoothly. The current bandwith is suboptimal, but I'm sure it will be at least 100 Mbit/s at Rackspace. So, the only question that remains is disk size. We currently use 47 GB on box3 and 82 GB on box4. I think twice as many would be nice, which is ~260 GB.
For the OS, I'd use Debian 8.5.
For the services, I don't know if I would use containers (e.g. docker) or not. They make installation easier and they provide better separation. On the other hand they require more resources (disk + RAM), and maintenance can be more cumbersome.
Levente
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
Squeakers,
It seems likely that Gandi won't renew our donated services, and even more, they are shutting down the coloc facility where box3.squeak.org lives as of 2016-12-01.
As such, I really suggest we move box3 and box4 off of Gandi's hosting services onto the Rackspace services that we can get donated for you.
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
Dave
The squeak.org website consumes a 1GB RAM allocation, and the new SqueakSource server(s) will need at least 500MB. That only leaves 2.5GB for everything else, as we upgrade more images to Spur, we'll need more memory, could we get 6GB or 8GB RAM?
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Levente Uzonyi leves@caesar.elte.hu wrote:
I wonder why I haven't received any of the previous emails in this thread.
Anyway, if there's really an account ready for us to use, then we should decide on what the parameters of the new server should be.
I suppose 4 GB of ram, 2 cores would be enough to run all services smoothly. The current bandwith is suboptimal, but I'm sure it will be at least 100 Mbit/s at Rackspace. So, the only question that remains is disk size. We currently use 47 GB on box3 and 82 GB on box4. I think twice as many would be nice, which is ~260 GB.
For the OS, I'd use Debian 8.5.
For the services, I don't know if I would use containers (e.g. docker) or not. They make installation easier and they provide better separation. On the other hand they require more resources (disk + RAM), and maintenance can be more cumbersome.
Levente
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
Squeakers,
It seems likely that Gandi won't renew our donated services, and even more, they are shutting down the coloc facility where box3.squeak.org lives as of 2016-12-01.
As such, I really suggest we move box3 and box4 off of Gandi's hosting services onto the Rackspace services that we can get donated for you.
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
Dave
On 31.08.2016, at 23:42, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
The squeak.org website consumes a 1GB RAM allocation,
How so? Nginx takes less than 70MB ram and it serves more than squeak.org… Yes, there's a Squeak vm running that takes a gig, but It should be taken down as it is not used. (ive shut it down just now)
and the new SqueakSource server(s) will need at least 500MB. That only leaves 2.5GB for everything else, as we upgrade more images to Spur, we'll need more memory, could we get 6GB or 8GB RAM?
oO That's pretty much for a free, shared service we're about to get, to be frank.
Best regards -Tobias
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Levente Uzonyi leves@caesar.elte.hu wrote:
I wonder why I haven't received any of the previous emails in this thread.
Anyway, if there's really an account ready for us to use, then we should decide on what the parameters of the new server should be.
I suppose 4 GB of ram, 2 cores would be enough to run all services smoothly. The current bandwith is suboptimal, but I'm sure it will be at least 100 Mbit/s at Rackspace. So, the only question that remains is disk size. We currently use 47 GB on box3 and 82 GB on box4. I think twice as many would be nice, which is ~260 GB.
For the OS, I'd use Debian 8.5.
For the services, I don't know if I would use containers (e.g. docker) or not. They make installation easier and they provide better separation. On the other hand they require more resources (disk + RAM), and maintenance can be more cumbersome.
Levente
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
Dave
On Thu, 1 Sep 2016, Tobias Pape wrote:
On 31.08.2016, at 23:42, Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com wrote:
The squeak.org website consumes a 1GB RAM allocation,
How so? Nginx takes less than 70MB ram and it serves more than squeak.org… Yes, there's a Squeak vm running that takes a gig, but It should be taken down as it is not used. (ive shut it down just now)
+1. Don't forget to remove old.squeak.org from nginx. I suppose there's a link to it from the current website, which should be removed as well.
and the new SqueakSource server(s) will need at least 500MB. That only leaves 2.5GB for everything else, as we upgrade more images to Spur, we'll need more memory, could we get 6GB or 8GB RAM?
oO That's pretty much for a free, shared service we're about to get, to be frank.
I agree. Also, I don't think we will ever need that much RAM unless a new memory hungry app appears.
Levente
Best regards -Tobias
On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 2:52 PM, Levente Uzonyi leves@caesar.elte.hu wrote:
I wonder why I haven't received any of the previous emails in this thread.
Anyway, if there's really an account ready for us to use, then we should decide on what the parameters of the new server should be.
I suppose 4 GB of ram, 2 cores would be enough to run all services smoothly. The current bandwith is suboptimal, but I'm sure it will be at least 100 Mbit/s at Rackspace. So, the only question that remains is disk size. We currently use 47 GB on box3 and 82 GB on box4. I think twice as many would be nice, which is ~260 GB.
For the OS, I'd use Debian 8.5.
For the services, I don't know if I would use containers (e.g. docker) or not. They make installation easier and they provide better separation. On the other hand they require more resources (disk + RAM), and maintenance can be more cumbersome.
Levente
On Mon, 29 Aug 2016, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 06:25:51PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 6:00 PM, Tony Sebro tony@sfconservancy.org wrote:
On 08/23/2016 11:15 AM, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
As a reminder, we've already set up a Rackspace account for Squeak based on previous conversations. Please let me know who needs access to handle the migration, and I'll create the necessary subaccount(s). If you need to ping me via IRC, I'm available at keynote2k on freenode.
Thanks! Best, -Tony
Did someone reply? Where do we stand?
I have not seen a reply, but we certainly need to respond. It's probably best to have one person acting as our point of contact just to avoid confusion (Tim, is that you?).
We will need to rely on Levente for overall guidance and expertise, but the board needs to take ownership of communicating the strategy and direction (this should to a main topic for our next SOB meeting). We also need to identify the scope of work to be done, and find suitable volunteers to drive each of the services that needs to be migrated, and to do the actual work of migrating them.
For starters, I will volunteer to do the migration of squeaksource.com from box3.squeak.org to the new Rackspace servers.
Dave
and the new SqueakSource server(s) will need at least 500MB. That only leaves 2.5GB for everything else, as we upgrade more images to Spur, we'll need more memory, could we get 6GB or 8GB RAM?
oO That's pretty much for a free, shared service we're about to get, to be frank.
I agree. Also, I don't think we will ever need that much RAM
When have we heard those famous words before? ;-)
unless a new memory hungry app appears.
They are appearing, because we want to upgrade our servers, right? Servers benefit greatly by Spur's memory management, but we know it needs more memory for those same objects. Trying to squeeze that many spur-based services into 4GB concerns me whether memory hungry apps will be /able/ to appear.
Like the bulk-load happening now for the source.squeak.org upgrade; the server is at 1GB RAM at the moment. This kind of breathing room makes these things a lot easier, could we still do it in 4GB after everything was Spur plus an existing Magma server? Maybe..
I definitely want to respect the dynamics of the Rackspace relationship (of which I know nothing), so I would not have proposed 6GB if it seemed greedy. I assume Rackspace genuinely wants to help Squeak, so if we need it, I see no harm in asking. If we don't, we shouldn't.
Best.
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