-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Permissions From: Chris Muller ma.chris.m@gmail.com Date: Sat, February 05, 2011 2:55 pm To: Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com Cc: Squeak Hosting Support box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Ok, so you're saying, we don't have a place to back-up to right now. How much space are we using?
Well, that depends on what you feel needs to be backed up. Some might feel the entire system should be backed up and that is currently 122GB. I'm satisfied if /home/ /etc/ /usr/local/ /var/www/ /root/ and /var/lib/mailman/ are backed up at minimum.
I'm wondering if whether each box-admin team member could simply rsync to a dedicated directory on home machines, perhaps on daily cron schedule?
Well, it's a good time to admit I lied a bit. I made a backup locally last July, and I'm updating it right now. Perhaps others feel differently but there is no way I could do this daily and even weekly would be an annoyance. I'm backing up only the essential I mentioned above which in total came to 36G in July. Based on the local backup, if you backup daily the changes (in one day) come to about 3-5GB per day.
OR, we could use a pay service, but it might not be a bad idea to just try to get ONE copy somewhere. We can't afford to lose source.squeak.org.
We won't procrastinate this anymore. I remember now that Ken and Goran researched the backup a few years ago. Did you guys end up using rsync?
rsync/rsnapshot. We use this for the local backup and it is what Goran used and I'm currently using rsync directly.
I'll try to poke around on the box this weekend.
BTW, who (company or individual?) and where, physically, are the boxe(s) located now? Do we only have one box?
We have only one box and it is hosted by Hetzner.de. Given your lack of knowledge of that (it's possible I guess that you heard it mentioned but made no notice of it I guess) it sounds like the situation regarding the payment for the server has still not been sorted out and squeak eV is still having to handle it. I hope I'm wrong about that. (I see Bert has forwarded the email we wrote up when I left the Board, IIRC.)
Ken
- Chris
On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Ken Causey ken@kencausey.com wrote:
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Box-Admins] Permissions From: Chris Muller asqueaker@gmail.com Date: Sat, February 05, 2011 11:25 am To: Squeak Hosting Support box-admins@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Göran, can you elaborate on the backup? What are we using now and what's broken about it.
HD's fail, backups are very important. Are you saying we're not backed up right now?
thanks..
Yes, right now there is no offsite backup. We have a local backup system for much content in case we just screw up but that doesn't help in the case of hard drive failure.
Goran provided an offsite backup for a long time but lost the facility when he changed jobs. I've asked for help with this in the past with little response. It has been a while and perhaps it is time to ask again.
Ken
2011/2/5 Göran Krampe goran@krampe.se:
On 02/04/2011 10:19 PM, Ken Causey wrote:
We already have this in some sense. Most individual projects are setup under their own home directories and to administer them it is generally sufficient to have access to the individual account, not superuser access. For example the webteam manages the website without superuser access and release teams can update the ftp site generally without superuser access. So for example if someone wanted to volunteer to work on bugs.squeak.org it would probably suffice to give them access to the mantis user account.
That said the use of sudo has been brought up before and it is worth looking into. My grand plans to setup new servers included every intention of making liberal use of sudo. But I simply haven't gotten around to it. I would welcome any insights anyone has on configuring sudo for our purposes.
Ken
IMHO the levels Ken describe are enough. If you are trusted with Linux admin stuff then root it is IMHO. Let's not complicate things :)
...and we really need to fix a running offsite scheduled backup. ASAP.
Sidenote: Btw, I now use Duplicity with Deja Dup on my laptop - works good even for large files onto a vfat external USB drive.
regards, Göran
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