UI September 2007

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Re: [UI] Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

No argument here :) Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> jason.johnson.081(a)gmail.com 09/04/07 2:01 PM >>> On 9/4/07, Gary Chambers <gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com> wrote: > > Having created some before, a GUI builder could be next, once we can all > agree on a sound framework to base it upon. I vote MVP! The absolute best in the business IMO. _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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Squeak UI guidelines/heuristics
by Brad Fuller 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

I'd like to get your ideas on compiling a list of UI guidelines or heuristics that Squeak developers should follow. A few have mentioned they liked the idea, but I'd like to hear from the whole group. Is it a dumb idea or maybe a good one but tough to follow through? Too tough for our first go-round? (which I should mention now: I think we need to find a couple of "jobs" that we can accomplish fairly quickly to provide some success to the group.) If you think it's a good idea, we could discuss one at a time and when we have a statement that we like, we could place it on the squeak wiki on a "Squeak UI Guidelines" page. As I mentioned before, there are already plenty of Squeak UI precedences set and maybe we could start with those that have been successful. Most of the successful ones are ubiquitous and thus sometimes hard to see cuz we're so used to them, (for instance, the fact that you can edit what you see is a basic and powerful attribute of Squeak. No need to go to a special "editor" like a text editor or graphics editor to edit a morphic. ) We could also discuss ideas that others have had, such as Jef Raskin's Humane Interface, and if applicable bring them into our domain. brad

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RE: [UI] What's next?
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Gary, I think you will understand my position once you face the masses. If you find them agreeable to a Squeak feel, PLEASE let me know. Otherwise, I look forward to creating something that can conditionally create a feel that I could put before the users I have described. Thanks! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 1:06 PM >>> I agree, I'd like a nice consistent UI. However, I'd also not want to alienate different approaches. Hard to do both! -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 5:59 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, I believe the image in question originated via my Ubuntu system - no warranties re which version etc., though it can probably tell us. However, I doubt very much that I loaded the integration first. I can try it again, but I am fairly certain I got that right. My comments re Dolphin are not meant as a slight; you are doing a great job. I am disappointed that so many in the Squeak community seem to forget that much of the mechanical and visual vocabulary embodied in mainstream interfaces (to avoid web weirdness, say circa 2000) has its origins in usability testing (to be fair, much of it done my M$), a very long time ago. Things work(ed) the way they do because that was what worked with Joe Average in various walks of life. To the extent that we can benefit from that research, the better we will serve our users. I have no objection to trying to do better, but we should do so having the basics covered. Consider me interested in making menus stay put unless dragged by a title bar. Won't presume to speak for others (except your users<g>). Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 12:27 PM >>> I think the topWindow problems were due to having possibly loaded the the ToolBuilder integration before the Widgets. I've done through the senders of #topWindow in my stuff and identified only one place that it may fail (when using the task Switcher), fixed. I have noticed there's an unprotected call on that method from ServiceAction (World topRequestor), outside my changes. If there's interest I can preferentially change the "pick-up" of menus. Remember, Dolphin, at its heart, is based on the Windows api. Very fixed! I'm try to please all people all of the time (lol). Lost clicks - if anybody else can identify this as a problem I will, of course, investigate. Thank you for your freedback. Gary -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 5:18 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, Unless they are really desperate and computer aware enough to understand what is going on, my prediction is that they would complain about menus that get picked up on errant clicks, "random" focus movement, etc. I know it drives me nuts. I push Dolphin pretty hard. Not that I would enter a contest, but people sometimes complain about the racket while I type; I burst at well over 100 words per minute when I am "on" [*]. Note that I can do this only when the words are in my head vs. on paper. Regardless of the details, Squeak's GUI feels incredibly fragile to me by comparison to Dolphin's, and in fact, just about any text or programmer's editor I have ever used. I suspect your users would have the same reaction. My problems with #topWindow were in 3.9; no lost clicks there. I never quite fixed the IDE problems though (implementors etc. throw walkbalks), very likely my fault. The 3.10 Squeak-dev image works, except that it suffers lost clicks. Bill [*] Note that I am a mere shadow of the fastest typist I have ever seen. She was a secretary in my department during grad school, and literally wore the markings off of keyboards. Scary thing was she could talk while going at full speed (accurately too). Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 11:35 AM >>> As for users... Yet to be deployed to them (Report Builder)... Though I have done some work on "lock-down" to prevent unexpected menus etc in a deployed application. For version, this has not been tested by myself with 3.10, just 3.9. I haven't noticed any "lost clicks" with scrollbars but then, they are timing/step based for the "page" areas... -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 4:22 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, That was quick! I will certainly check it out. I am negligent in not yet finding your previous emails listing some assumptions about the image. Reasons aside, I had problems until I downloaded the Squeak-dev image, at which point implementors... etc. worked. I noted some problems with "lost clicks" but I assume that pre-dates your recent changes and/or is specific to 3.10. Are there any tricks to updating that image to contain your new work? As an aside, I am surprised you have put so much attention into look w/o worrying (much) about feel. If you don't mind describing it, who are your users? If not specifically, what type of tasks, what level of expertise? I am curious because I find it difficult to envision people who would be attracted by your appearance enhancements and not lost due to the feel problems. THANKS!!! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 10:48 AM >>> I have uploaded a new version of Widgets to SqueakSource. Hopefully adds "click to focus" functionality. Untested properly at the moment so holding off updating the Universe. Perhaps some brave people would like to have a go! Two extra preferences added: mouseClickForKeyboardFocus and windowsActiveOnFirstClick. The first covers the changes for making the #mouseEnter behaviour (i.e take keyboard focus) optional for most basic morphs. The second, with a bit of a fix, allows the first click on an inactive window to properly propagate to the clicked morph after activating its containing window. I find it a bit strange to have to assume "normal" behaviour with these options! (Have go used to the Squeaky/Motif way of focus handling, in a (using Squeak) modal way!). Feedback always appreciated! Gary. -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 02 September 2007 12:11 am To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [UI] What's next? Brad, Good point about the task bar - there are other solutions to that problem, but none as slick. More generally, if you want to start with specifications, that is fine; count me in. I suspect they will be completely ignored, just as Squeak's deficiencies have been ignored. Whether by preferences or perhaps themed feel, we might have a chance to break through the "please don't break our toy" resistance by producing something nice enough that there will be some backlash against any who attempt to blackball it. For those who genuinely prefer the motif behavior, we should offer it from the beginning, but we should also provide a way to meet the demands of end users who have learned that they can freely "shove the mouse out of the way." In short, however we get there, I think our ultimate product should be working code with enough appeal (and I think Gary has the basics to make it work) to get the average Squeaker (if there is such a person) to want it. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bradallenfuller(a)yahoo.com 09/01/07 5:37 PM >>> ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 9:48:34 AM Subject: [UI] What's next? > Do any of you have any regrets about installing Gary's packages? I am > tempted to load them into my working 3.9 image. Any reports of bad > experience would be appreciated. I haven't found a problem except the one I mentioned to Gary, and it must have been my fault, so no need to elaborate on my errs ;-) > Without any implied lack of gratitude, the changes are thus far simply > eye candy. perhaps, with the excepttion of the taskbar at the bottom, which may be helpful to some for auto-arranging the desktop. Gary's work is much appreciated and I can't wait until he finishes it! > As impressive and helpful as the changes are, I will stick to my long-standing assertion that Squeak's real GUI problems are feel related. I don't agree that it's exclusively feel related. There are many "look" issues as well. I contend that "look and feel" go hand-in-hand and maybe we should approach it this way? > Does this group want to tackle that problem? YES! > How? I still push the idea that we need guidelines first. But, i wanted to hear from more on this discussion topic before I said anything else (plus, I've been swamped too!) > Do we want to adopt Gary's work as a foundation? Foundation for what? > I am tempted to vote in the affirmative on the latter, and hope that > we will go further by taming the mouse-over activation and focus > madness. This could be easily remedied by first agreeing upon a keyboard focus rule(s) and then implementing the rule into the standard image (maybe for 3.10?.) With the rule in place, software authors will at least know what the rest of the community believes to be best practice. They can violate it if they want in their own apps, but at least it's stated. Maybe this could be our first project. > Preferences are fine: I would not want to force > convention on others any more than I want to subject my users to (what > would appear to them as) random behavior as they move the mouse. Preferences settings has been a long standing feature in Squeak. Frankly, I don't know how good it is. I like it, but there are some good arguments against this (see Raskin.) > Gary's work is yet another illustration that native widgets are not > necessary to achieve any particular look, and I am confident we can > illustrate the same re feel. Sorry, I always get confused on what "native" means. Does it mean native to the hosting OS, or native to Squeak? Maybe we should not use the word "native" and use "Host" or "OS" and "Squeak": e.g.: OS-widgets, Host-widgets; Squeak-widgets, Host-derived widgets -- ??? To comment on your comment, I believe that Squeak-derived widgets forces easy portability between hosts. brad _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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RE: [UI] What's next?
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Gary, Unless they are really desperate and computer aware enough to understand what is going on, my prediction is that they would complain about menus that get picked up on errant clicks, "random" focus movement, etc. I know it drives me nuts. I push Dolphin pretty hard. Not that I would enter a contest, but people sometimes complain about the racket while I type; I burst at well over 100 words per minute when I am "on" [*]. Note that I can do this only when the words are in my head vs. on paper. Regardless of the details, Squeak's GUI feels incredibly fragile to me by comparison to Dolphin's, and in fact, just about any text or programmer's editor I have ever used. I suspect your users would have the same reaction. My problems with #topWindow were in 3.9; no lost clicks there. I never quite fixed the IDE problems though (implementors etc. throw walkbalks), very likely my fault. The 3.10 Squeak-dev image works, except that it suffers lost clicks. Bill [*] Note that I am a mere shadow of the fastest typist I have ever seen. She was a secretary in my department during grad school, and literally wore the markings off of keyboards. Scary thing was she could talk while going at full speed (accurately too). Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 11:35 AM >>> As for users... Yet to be deployed to them (Report Builder)... Though I have done some work on "lock-down" to prevent unexpected menus etc in a deployed application. For version, this has not been tested by myself with 3.10, just 3.9. I haven't noticed any "lost clicks" with scrollbars but then, they are timing/step based for the "page" areas... -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 4:22 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, That was quick! I will certainly check it out. I am negligent in not yet finding your previous emails listing some assumptions about the image. Reasons aside, I had problems until I downloaded the Squeak-dev image, at which point implementors... etc. worked. I noted some problems with "lost clicks" but I assume that pre-dates your recent changes and/or is specific to 3.10. Are there any tricks to updating that image to contain your new work? As an aside, I am surprised you have put so much attention into look w/o worrying (much) about feel. If you don't mind describing it, who are your users? If not specifically, what type of tasks, what level of expertise? I am curious because I find it difficult to envision people who would be attracted by your appearance enhancements and not lost due to the feel problems. THANKS!!! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 10:48 AM >>> I have uploaded a new version of Widgets to SqueakSource. Hopefully adds "click to focus" functionality. Untested properly at the moment so holding off updating the Universe. Perhaps some brave people would like to have a go! Two extra preferences added: mouseClickForKeyboardFocus and windowsActiveOnFirstClick. The first covers the changes for making the #mouseEnter behaviour (i.e take keyboard focus) optional for most basic morphs. The second, with a bit of a fix, allows the first click on an inactive window to properly propagate to the clicked morph after activating its containing window. I find it a bit strange to have to assume "normal" behaviour with these options! (Have go used to the Squeaky/Motif way of focus handling, in a (using Squeak) modal way!). Feedback always appreciated! Gary. -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 02 September 2007 12:11 am To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [UI] What's next? Brad, Good point about the task bar - there are other solutions to that problem, but none as slick. More generally, if you want to start with specifications, that is fine; count me in. I suspect they will be completely ignored, just as Squeak's deficiencies have been ignored. Whether by preferences or perhaps themed feel, we might have a chance to break through the "please don't break our toy" resistance by producing something nice enough that there will be some backlash against any who attempt to blackball it. For those who genuinely prefer the motif behavior, we should offer it from the beginning, but we should also provide a way to meet the demands of end users who have learned that they can freely "shove the mouse out of the way." In short, however we get there, I think our ultimate product should be working code with enough appeal (and I think Gary has the basics to make it work) to get the average Squeaker (if there is such a person) to want it. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bradallenfuller(a)yahoo.com 09/01/07 5:37 PM >>> ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 9:48:34 AM Subject: [UI] What's next? > Do any of you have any regrets about installing Gary's packages? I am > tempted to load them into my working 3.9 image. > Any reports of bad experience would be appreciated. I haven't found a problem except the one I mentioned to Gary, and it must have been my fault, so no need to elaborate on my errs ;-) > Without any implied lack of gratitude, the changes are thus far simply > eye candy. perhaps, with the excepttion of the taskbar at the bottom, which may be helpful to some for auto-arranging the desktop. Gary's work is much appreciated and I can't wait until he finishes it! > As impressive and helpful as the changes are, I will stick to my long-standing assertion that Squeak's real GUI problems are feel related. I don't agree that it's exclusively feel related. There are many "look" issues as well. I contend that "look and feel" go hand-in-hand and maybe we should approach it this way? > Does this group want to tackle that problem? YES! > How? I still push the idea that we need guidelines first. But, i wanted to hear from more on this discussion topic before I said anything else (plus, I've been swamped too!) > Do we want to adopt Gary's work as a foundation? Foundation for what? > I am tempted to vote in the affirmative on the latter, and hope that > we will go further by taming the mouse-over activation and focus > madness. This could be easily remedied by first agreeing upon a keyboard focus rule(s) and then implementing the rule into the standard image (maybe for 3.10?.) With the rule in place, software authors will at least know what the rest of the community believes to be best practice. They can violate it if they want in their own apps, but at least it's stated. Maybe this could be our first project. > Preferences are fine: I would not want to force > convention on others any more than I want to subject my users to (what > would appear to them as) random behavior as they move the mouse. Preferences settings has been a long standing feature in Squeak. Frankly, I don't know how good it is. I like it, but there are some good arguments against this (see Raskin.) > Gary's work is yet another illustration that native widgets are not > necessary to achieve any particular look, and I am confident we can > illustrate the same re feel. Sorry, I always get confused on what "native" means. Does it mean native to the hosting OS, or native to Squeak? Maybe we should not use the word "native" and use "Host" or "OS" and "Squeak": e.g.: OS-widgets, Host-widgets; Squeak-widgets, Host-derived widgets -- ??? To comment on your comment, I believe that Squeak-derived widgets forces easy portability between hosts. brad _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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RE: [UI] What's next?
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Gary, I believe the image in question originated via my Ubuntu system - no warranties re which version etc., though it can probably tell us. However, I doubt very much that I loaded the integration first. I can try it again, but I am fairly certain I got that right. My comments re Dolphin are not meant as a slight; you are doing a great job. I am disappointed that so many in the Squeak community seem to forget that much of the mechanical and visual vocabulary embodied in mainstream interfaces (to avoid web weirdness, say circa 2000) has its origins in usability testing (to be fair, much of it done my M$), a very long time ago. Things work(ed) the way they do because that was what worked with Joe Average in various walks of life. To the extent that we can benefit from that research, the better we will serve our users. I have no objection to trying to do better, but we should do so having the basics covered. Consider me interested in making menus stay put unless dragged by a title bar. Won't presume to speak for others (except your users<g>). Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 12:27 PM >>> I think the topWindow problems were due to having possibly loaded the the ToolBuilder integration before the Widgets. I've done through the senders of #topWindow in my stuff and identified only one place that it may fail (when using the task Switcher), fixed. I have noticed there's an unprotected call on that method from ServiceAction (World topRequestor), outside my changes. If there's interest I can preferentially change the "pick-up" of menus. Remember, Dolphin, at its heart, is based on the Windows api. Very fixed! I'm try to please all people all of the time (lol). Lost clicks - if anybody else can identify this as a problem I will, of course, investigate. Thank you for your freedback. Gary -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 5:18 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, Unless they are really desperate and computer aware enough to understand what is going on, my prediction is that they would complain about menus that get picked up on errant clicks, "random" focus movement, etc. I know it drives me nuts. I push Dolphin pretty hard. Not that I would enter a contest, but people sometimes complain about the racket while I type; I burst at well over 100 words per minute when I am "on" [*]. Note that I can do this only when the words are in my head vs. on paper. Regardless of the details, Squeak's GUI feels incredibly fragile to me by comparison to Dolphin's, and in fact, just about any text or programmer's editor I have ever used. I suspect your users would have the same reaction. My problems with #topWindow were in 3.9; no lost clicks there. I never quite fixed the IDE problems though (implementors etc. throw walkbalks), very likely my fault. The 3.10 Squeak-dev image works, except that it suffers lost clicks. Bill [*] Note that I am a mere shadow of the fastest typist I have ever seen. She was a secretary in my department during grad school, and literally wore the markings off of keyboards. Scary thing was she could talk while going at full speed (accurately too). Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 11:35 AM >>> As for users... Yet to be deployed to them (Report Builder)... Though I have done some work on "lock-down" to prevent unexpected menus etc in a deployed application. For version, this has not been tested by myself with 3.10, just 3.9. I haven't noticed any "lost clicks" with scrollbars but then, they are timing/step based for the "page" areas... -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 4:22 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, That was quick! I will certainly check it out. I am negligent in not yet finding your previous emails listing some assumptions about the image. Reasons aside, I had problems until I downloaded the Squeak-dev image, at which point implementors... etc. worked. I noted some problems with "lost clicks" but I assume that pre-dates your recent changes and/or is specific to 3.10. Are there any tricks to updating that image to contain your new work? As an aside, I am surprised you have put so much attention into look w/o worrying (much) about feel. If you don't mind describing it, who are your users? If not specifically, what type of tasks, what level of expertise? I am curious because I find it difficult to envision people who would be attracted by your appearance enhancements and not lost due to the feel problems. THANKS!!! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 10:48 AM >>> I have uploaded a new version of Widgets to SqueakSource. Hopefully adds "click to focus" functionality. Untested properly at the moment so holding off updating the Universe. Perhaps some brave people would like to have a go! Two extra preferences added: mouseClickForKeyboardFocus and windowsActiveOnFirstClick. The first covers the changes for making the #mouseEnter behaviour (i.e take keyboard focus) optional for most basic morphs. The second, with a bit of a fix, allows the first click on an inactive window to properly propagate to the clicked morph after activating its containing window. I find it a bit strange to have to assume "normal" behaviour with these options! (Have go used to the Squeaky/Motif way of focus handling, in a (using Squeak) modal way!). Feedback always appreciated! Gary. -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 02 September 2007 12:11 am To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [UI] What's next? Brad, Good point about the task bar - there are other solutions to that problem, but none as slick. More generally, if you want to start with specifications, that is fine; count me in. I suspect they will be completely ignored, just as Squeak's deficiencies have been ignored. Whether by preferences or perhaps themed feel, we might have a chance to break through the "please don't break our toy" resistance by producing something nice enough that there will be some backlash against any who attempt to blackball it. For those who genuinely prefer the motif behavior, we should offer it from the beginning, but we should also provide a way to meet the demands of end users who have learned that they can freely "shove the mouse out of the way." In short, however we get there, I think our ultimate product should be working code with enough appeal (and I think Gary has the basics to make it work) to get the average Squeaker (if there is such a person) to want it. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bradallenfuller(a)yahoo.com 09/01/07 5:37 PM >>> ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 9:48:34 AM Subject: [UI] What's next? > Do any of you have any regrets about installing Gary's packages? I am > tempted to load them into my working 3.9 image. Any reports of bad > experience would be appreciated. I haven't found a problem except the one I mentioned to Gary, and it must have been my fault, so no need to elaborate on my errs ;-) > Without any implied lack of gratitude, the changes are thus far simply > eye candy. perhaps, with the excepttion of the taskbar at the bottom, which may be helpful to some for auto-arranging the desktop. Gary's work is much appreciated and I can't wait until he finishes it! > As impressive and helpful as the changes are, I will stick to my long-standing assertion that Squeak's real GUI problems are feel related. I don't agree that it's exclusively feel related. There are many "look" issues as well. I contend that "look and feel" go hand-in-hand and maybe we should approach it this way? > Does this group want to tackle that problem? YES! > How? I still push the idea that we need guidelines first. But, i wanted to hear from more on this discussion topic before I said anything else (plus, I've been swamped too!) > Do we want to adopt Gary's work as a foundation? Foundation for what? > I am tempted to vote in the affirmative on the latter, and hope that > we will go further by taming the mouse-over activation and focus > madness. This could be easily remedied by first agreeing upon a keyboard focus rule(s) and then implementing the rule into the standard image (maybe for 3.10?.) With the rule in place, software authors will at least know what the rest of the community believes to be best practice. They can violate it if they want in their own apps, but at least it's stated. Maybe this could be our first project. > Preferences are fine: I would not want to force > convention on others any more than I want to subject my users to (what > would appear to them as) random behavior as they move the mouse. Preferences settings has been a long standing feature in Squeak. Frankly, I don't know how good it is. I like it, but there are some good arguments against this (see Raskin.) > Gary's work is yet another illustration that native widgets are not > necessary to achieve any particular look, and I am confident we can > illustrate the same re feel. Sorry, I always get confused on what "native" means. Does it mean native to the hosting OS, or native to Squeak? Maybe we should not use the word "native" and use "Host" or "OS" and "Squeak": e.g.: OS-widgets, Host-widgets; Squeak-widgets, Host-derived widgets -- ??? To comment on your comment, I believe that Squeak-derived widgets forces easy portability between hosts. brad _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband
by Brad Fuller 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband Date: Tue September 4 2007 From: "Has van der Krieken" <xs4hkr(a)gmail.com> To: Beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Hi all, Recently I installed Gary Chamber's UIEnhancements. Pretty neat. After that, there's a rubberband in PluggableTextMorphs when they get focused. Do you know how I can turn this off? Thanks, Has. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners -------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [UI] What's next?
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Gary, Good point. Keep in mind that I am simply anticipating what my users would complain about - I know them fairly well - in an effort to be helpful. As impressed as I am with your work, and as grateful as I am that you are sharing it, I would be less than honest if I did not point out that all the focus movement in the world is meaningless if the mouse-over breaks it. "The keyboard jumps around, oh, and that funny looking menu gets stuck to the mouse every so often." Trust me :) I look forward to trying your latest efforts. Thanks again! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 11:32 AM >>> There is quite a bit of feel in there too, just not obvious (tab/shift-tab field switching, Alt-left/right window switcher etc.). As for mouse over, I'd got used to it... Odd now it can be "normal"! -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 04 September 2007 4:22 pm To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: RE: [UI] What's next? Gary, That was quick! I will certainly check it out. I am negligent in not yet finding your previous emails listing some assumptions about the image. Reasons aside, I had problems until I downloaded the Squeak-dev image, at which point implementors... etc. worked. I noted some problems with "lost clicks" but I assume that pre-dates your recent changes and/or is specific to 3.10. Are there any tricks to updating that image to contain your new work? As an aside, I am surprised you have put so much attention into look w/o worrying (much) about feel. If you don't mind describing it, who are your users? If not specifically, what type of tasks, what level of expertise? I am curious because I find it difficult to envision people who would be attracted by your appearance enhancements and not lost due to the feel problems. THANKS!!! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 10:48 AM >>> I have uploaded a new version of Widgets to SqueakSource. Hopefully adds "click to focus" functionality. Untested properly at the moment so holding off updating the Universe. Perhaps some brave people would like to have a go! Two extra preferences added: mouseClickForKeyboardFocus and windowsActiveOnFirstClick. The first covers the changes for making the #mouseEnter behaviour (i.e take keyboard focus) optional for most basic morphs. The second, with a bit of a fix, allows the first click on an inactive window to properly propagate to the clicked morph after activating its containing window. I find it a bit strange to have to assume "normal" behaviour with these options! (Have go used to the Squeaky/Motif way of focus handling, in a (using Squeak) modal way!). Feedback always appreciated! Gary. -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 02 September 2007 12:11 am To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [UI] What's next? Brad, Good point about the task bar - there are other solutions to that problem, but none as slick. More generally, if you want to start with specifications, that is fine; count me in. I suspect they will be completely ignored, just as Squeak's deficiencies have been ignored. Whether by preferences or perhaps themed feel, we might have a chance to break through the "please don't break our toy" resistance by producing something nice enough that there will be some backlash against any who attempt to blackball it. For those who genuinely prefer the motif behavior, we should offer it from the beginning, but we should also provide a way to meet the demands of end users who have learned that they can freely "shove the mouse out of the way." In short, however we get there, I think our ultimate product should be working code with enough appeal (and I think Gary has the basics to make it work) to get the average Squeaker (if there is such a person) to want it. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bradallenfuller(a)yahoo.com 09/01/07 5:37 PM >>> ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 9:48:34 AM Subject: [UI] What's next? > Do any of you have any regrets about installing Gary's packages? I am > tempted to load them into my working 3.9 image. > Any reports of bad experience would be appreciated. I haven't found a problem except the one I mentioned to Gary, and it must have been my fault, so no need to elaborate on my errs ;-) > Without any implied lack of gratitude, the changes are thus far simply > eye candy. perhaps, with the excepttion of the taskbar at the bottom, which may be helpful to some for auto-arranging the desktop. Gary's work is much appreciated and I can't wait until he finishes it! > As impressive and helpful as the changes are, I will stick to my long-standing assertion that Squeak's real GUI problems are feel related. I don't agree that it's exclusively feel related. There are many "look" issues as well. I contend that "look and feel" go hand-in-hand and maybe we should approach it this way? > Does this group want to tackle that problem? YES! > How? I still push the idea that we need guidelines first. But, i wanted to hear from more on this discussion topic before I said anything else (plus, I've been swamped too!) > Do we want to adopt Gary's work as a foundation? Foundation for what? > I am tempted to vote in the affirmative on the latter, and hope that > we will go further by taming the mouse-over activation and focus > madness. This could be easily remedied by first agreeing upon a keyboard focus rule(s) and then implementing the rule into the standard image (maybe for 3.10?.) With the rule in place, software authors will at least know what the rest of the community believes to be best practice. They can violate it if they want in their own apps, but at least it's stated. Maybe this could be our first project. > Preferences are fine: I would not want to force > convention on others any more than I want to subject my users to (what > would appear to them as) random behavior as they move the mouse. Preferences settings has been a long standing feature in Squeak. Frankly, I don't know how good it is. I like it, but there are some good arguments against this (see Raskin.) > Gary's work is yet another illustration that native widgets are not > necessary to achieve any particular look, and I am confident we can > illustrate the same re feel. Sorry, I always get confused on what "native" means. Does it mean native to the hosting OS, or native to Squeak? Maybe we should not use the word "native" and use "Host" or "OS" and "Squeak": e.g.: OS-widgets, Host-widgets; Squeak-widgets, Host-derived widgets -- ??? To comment on your comment, I believe that Squeak-derived widgets forces easy portability between hosts. brad _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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RE: [UI] Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Gary, My main concern about it is that it bounds (working from memory here) the inner editor vs. the outer one, or something like that. When trying to change the background color, I had to deal with two critters to get it to work, and it appeared to me that I had to modify methods vs. doing it purely from "outside". If it appeared within the bounds of the scroller vs. around the (dilated when empty) current text, I would have been happy to see it. IMHO, this is a rough edge in morphic, not your work. I have been attempting to make time to review ToolBuilder to see whether or not it is involved in the creation of the browsers etc. If it is, perhaps we should work on a customized builder to replace the entire IDE with your widgets. Then we could fix the feel therein, and everybody has what they want??? What I do not know is whether that is even feasible. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 11:18 AM >>> The dotted border indicates the current keyboard focus... I can add a preference if required, or, perhaps, a choice of focus indication styles. -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Brad Fuller Sent: 04 September 2007 4:06 pm To: 'Squeak's User Interface' Subject: [UI] Fwd: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Newbies] PluggableTextMorph and rubberband Date: Tue September 4 2007 From: "Has van der Krieken" <xs4hkr(a)gmail.com> To: Beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Hi all, Recently I installed Gary Chamber's UIEnhancements. Pretty neat. After that, there's a rubberband in PluggableTextMorphs when they get focused. Do you know how I can turn this off? Thanks, Has. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners ------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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RE: [UI] What's next?
by Bill Schwab 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Gary, That was quick! I will certainly check it out. I am negligent in not yet finding your previous emails listing some assumptions about the image. Reasons aside, I had problems until I downloaded the Squeak-dev image, at which point implementors... etc. worked. I noted some problems with "lost clicks" but I assume that pre-dates your recent changes and/or is specific to 3.10. Are there any tricks to updating that image to contain your new work? As an aside, I am surprised you have put so much attention into look w/o worrying (much) about feel. If you don't mind describing it, who are your users? If not specifically, what type of tasks, what level of expertise? I am curious because I find it difficult to envision people who would be attracted by your appearance enhancements and not lost due to the feel problems. THANKS!!! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 09/04/07 10:48 AM >>> I have uploaded a new version of Widgets to SqueakSource. Hopefully adds "click to focus" functionality. Untested properly at the moment so holding off updating the Universe. Perhaps some brave people would like to have a go! Two extra preferences added: mouseClickForKeyboardFocus and windowsActiveOnFirstClick. The first covers the changes for making the #mouseEnter behaviour (i.e take keyboard focus) optional for most basic morphs. The second, with a bit of a fix, allows the first click on an inactive window to properly propagate to the clicked morph after activating its containing window. I find it a bit strange to have to assume "normal" behaviour with these options! (Have go used to the Squeaky/Motif way of focus handling, in a (using Squeak) modal way!). Feedback always appreciated! Gary. -----Original Message----- From: ui-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:ui-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Bill Schwab Sent: 02 September 2007 12:11 am To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [UI] What's next? Brad, Good point about the task bar - there are other solutions to that problem, but none as slick. More generally, if you want to start with specifications, that is fine; count me in. I suspect they will be completely ignored, just as Squeak's deficiencies have been ignored. Whether by preferences or perhaps themed feel, we might have a chance to break through the "please don't break our toy" resistance by producing something nice enough that there will be some backlash against any who attempt to blackball it. For those who genuinely prefer the motif behavior, we should offer it from the beginning, but we should also provide a way to meet the demands of end users who have learned that they can freely "shove the mouse out of the way." In short, however we get there, I think our ultimate product should be working code with enough appeal (and I think Gary has the basics to make it work) to get the average Squeaker (if there is such a person) to want it. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> bradallenfuller(a)yahoo.com 09/01/07 5:37 PM >>> ----- Original Message ---- From: Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> To: ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2007 9:48:34 AM Subject: [UI] What's next? > Do any of you have any regrets about installing Gary's packages? I am > tempted to load them into my working 3.9 image. > Any reports of bad experience would be appreciated. I haven't found a problem except the one I mentioned to Gary, and it must have been my fault, so no need to elaborate on my errs ;-) > Without any implied lack of gratitude, the changes are thus far simply > eye candy. perhaps, with the excepttion of the taskbar at the bottom, which may be helpful to some for auto-arranging the desktop. Gary's work is much appreciated and I can't wait until he finishes it! > As impressive and helpful as the changes are, I will stick to my long-standing assertion that Squeak's real GUI problems are feel related. I don't agree that it's exclusively feel related. There are many "look" issues as well. I contend that "look and feel" go hand-in-hand and maybe we should approach it this way? > Does this group want to tackle that problem? YES! > How? I still push the idea that we need guidelines first. But, i wanted to hear from more on this discussion topic before I said anything else (plus, I've been swamped too!) > Do we want to adopt Gary's work as a foundation? Foundation for what? > I am tempted to vote in the affirmative on the latter, and hope that > we will go further by taming the mouse-over activation and focus > madness. This could be easily remedied by first agreeing upon a keyboard focus rule(s) and then implementing the rule into the standard image (maybe for 3.10?.) With the rule in place, software authors will at least know what the rest of the community believes to be best practice. They can violate it if they want in their own apps, but at least it's stated. Maybe this could be our first project. > Preferences are fine: I would not want to force > convention on others any more than I want to subject my users to (what > would appear to them as) random behavior as they move the mouse. Preferences settings has been a long standing feature in Squeak. Frankly, I don't know how good it is. I like it, but there are some good arguments against this (see Raskin.) > Gary's work is yet another illustration that native widgets are not > necessary to achieve any particular look, and I am confident we can > illustrate the same re feel. Sorry, I always get confused on what "native" means. Does it mean native to the hosting OS, or native to Squeak? Maybe we should not use the word "native" and use "Host" or "OS" and "Squeak": e.g.: OS-widgets, Host-widgets; Squeak-widgets, Host-derived widgets -- ??? To comment on your comment, I believe that Squeak-derived widgets forces easy portability between hosts. brad _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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RE: [UI] Widgets ready
by Gary Chambers 04 Sep '07

04 Sep '07

Think I'll go with Universes (after learning to use it!), now which categories... -----Original Message----- From: Bill Schwab [mailto:BSchwab@anest.ufl.edu] Sent: 29 August 2007 2:58 pm To: gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com; ui(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: Re: [UI] Widgets ready Gary, I would not presume to describe the best way to release it. I will happily grab it from an arbitrary URL if that is of any help to you. Thanks for making it available! Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> gazzaguru2(a)btinternet.com 08/29/07 9:45 AM >>> Well, I think the Widgets/UITheme stuff is ready for a first release :-) Tested on a stock 3.9 image, not looked at 3.10 yet... Consists of two Monticello packages: The main "Widgets" package including theme support and Morphic fixes; An extra ToolBuilder package to integrate the new dialogs into the environment (where UIManager is used at any rate, directly or indirectly). Looks nicer with Andy Tween's FreeType packages installed though will work without. Any suggestions as to how people want the packages submitted? My SqueakMap account sadly points to an older email and I've forgotten the password... If people would like a script for setting preferences I can post here. Will repost this on squeak-dev for those not following here! Gary. _______________________________________________ UI mailing list UI(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/ui

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