Webteam November 2005

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Stylescript for squeak.org
by karl 09 Nov '05

09 Nov '05

Should we start using the updated style script from the test site on the main site ? It has the background ballon, blockquotes and the links box included. Karl

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squeak.it domain
by Giovanni Corriga 07 Nov '05

07 Nov '05

Hi, On last May, I registered the squeak.it domain and then I completely forgot its existance until today. I've just changed the DNS server to have squeak.it pointing to squeak.org . DNS changes should start propagate in a few hours. Giovanni

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Style script questions
by karl 05 Nov '05

05 Nov '05

I have been hacking at the style script for a few days but before I go on I have a couple of questions. I made a orange box on the right side: Anybody have a opinion on this one ? I also made a grey header on the site menu. I have some issues that are hard to solve tha way I hack the style script now, by linking in a copy I keep on my personal homesite. Would it be possible to get access to the test site directory to change the style script on the test page directly ? Karl

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Frontpage revised
by goran＠krampe.se 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Hi! I am still listening for views in the thread "Some ideas to make it..." and will not comment in full before at least a few more chime in with their thoughts. I myself is still weighing different approaches in my head, I don't find it as "clear cut" as Brad and Michael does. Btw, for some ideas on what others do: slate.tunes.org www.iolanguage.com www.ruby-lang.org www.perl.org www.gwydiondylan.org www.haskell.org www.retroforth.org factor.sourceforge.net As you can see the approaches are different so I am definitely less "decided" than Brad and Michael seem to be. Time for *you* to speak up! :) What I have done though is to revise the current frontpage according to my last ideas trying to making it shorter - you can see it on wwwtest.squeak.org. Don't publish this, I just wanted to show it. regards, Göran

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Re: Frontpage revised
by Darius 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

My feelings: Brad and Michael's ideas don't allow for the 1st time visitor to "skim" the page for key words. The name droppings of the distinguishing technologies don't have links to explain /why/ the technologies are important or potentially useful to the visitor. Not all visitors are developers. Squeak is more cross-purpose that just ruby/python/etc. It's also for the "user/content author". Squeak is special. We don't /have/ to be just like the other sites. If you're that desperate to shorten the page, use CSS collapsible outlines. Those who want more can get more w/o navigating away. Those who skim just for changes, get a short page. Those with "down-level" browsers, see the big page, but are probably not much into technology. CSS collapsible outlines can be very modern, professional looking. Cheers, Darius

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Squeak linked from FSF, ehrm...
by goran＠krampe.se 03 Nov '05

03 Nov '05

Hi all! Noticed that Squeak is mentioned on this page, with a link that doesn't work anymore: http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/index_html The Webteam will of course fix that, perhaps we could drop in a redirect or whatever to the current license URL? regards, Göran

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Re: Frontpage - again
by karl 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

karl wrote: > karl wrote: > >> Jason Rogers wrote: >> >>> On 10/31/05, goran(a)krampe.se <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> A few ideas though: >>>> >>>> 1. What about putting a second "boxlet" below the download box on the >>>> right with the "Main Squeak portals" in it? It would make the front >>>> page >>>> smaller - but then the descriptions would have to be much shorter of >>>> course. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I like this idea a lot. Any takers? Karl has some experience in this >>> area (he sent me the code to implement the download box) so he may >>> have suggestions. >>> >> I can take a look at it. >> Karl >> >> >> > I have a simple solution :-) > Add this to the style sheet: > > #custom { > background-color:#eee; > border: 1px dashed #999; > margin: 0px; > padding: 5px; > position:absolute; > right: 10px; > top: 270px; > width: 150px; > } > > #custom h1 { > padding: 5px; > margin: 0px; > color: white; > background-color: #77d; > /* border:1px solid #999; */ > font-size: small; > } > > And then just add a Custom template. > We can tweak the color if it looks to dull with a grey box. > Karl > > > I tested some ideas in the style script. Tell me what you think Karl

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Re: [Webteam] Re: Frontpage - again
by Brad Fuller 02 Nov '05

02 Nov '05

On 11/01/2005 10:43 PM karl wrote: > I tested some ideas in the style script. Tell me what you think > Karl it's cool.

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test -- ignore
by Jason Rogers 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

test -- Jason Rogers "I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." Galatians 2:20

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Some ideas to make it even shorter, what do you think? (Re: Frontpage - again)
by goran＠krampe.se 01 Nov '05

01 Nov '05

Hi Michael! CC:ing to webteam, I assume that is ok. Michael van der Gulik <mikevdg(a)gulik.co.nz> wrote: > >Anyway, open for feedback. Shoot. > > > > > Bang! (Did I hit anything?) :) > There's waaay too much text on the front page now. Can we bring it down > to one screen-full again please? I just want to mention that I have posted both a "first attempt" and a "second attempt" to the website list for discussion and that the protests about length were... well, not so pronounced at least. :) But I am aware of your recent postings on this (and your improvements - I tried picking up most of them) and I did try to make it "shorter" but wanted to get it up and see what people think. Then Jason - who gave me thumbs up earlier - gave me a quick confirmation to publish it so I did. > You've also lost the "Next steps..." and "portals" sections below the > bottom of my screen - I have to scroll down for them now. Mmm, I am a bit "divided" when it comes to the length of the first page. On one hand I too want it to be as short as possible BUT I also want to convey to the visiting developer, right at the start, that Squeak is an advanced real tool - so I actually want it to also have *some* real content. So only having a few links and a "greetings!" on the first page is not enough for me. But I am listening to any proposals on how to make it shorter/better. But to only say "Make it shorter!" doesn't help me much - I need to get at least some idea on what to cut away/down or in other ways making it shorter. Ok, I am giving it a shot - what we have now: - Introductory Squeak-is-a-blabla sentence. Can't remove that, right? - Smalltalk explanation. Needed since the first sentence mentions Smalltalk, right? - Community run-down. Listing all different users, seems also a good thing to have right from the start. - Then comes the "developer teaser", the Squeak "kernel" bullet list. I want this in some form or shape. We could try to "trim it" in some way, proposal? - Then comes the "on top of this"-paragraph showing that we have tons of other capabilities, could also be trimmed I guess, again, proposal? - Then there is the web-stuff-plug, I wanted to get it in somewhere since it is probably the most important "developer attracter" at the moment, especially given RubyOnRails recently. We could probably take that paragraph and "merge" it with the Community-run-down above when I come to think of it. That way it would come earlier in the text too. See example below. - Then comes the platform-list, could also be merged into the "kernel" bullet list I guess. Tried that too below. - Finally the license sentence, should be somewhere. Merging that into the Squeak-is-blabla sentence would make it too much, right? Ideas? - And we round it off with a second quote, we could of course skip having a quote at the end - in which case that quote perhaps should be used instead of the first one. Again, I tried that below. ---------------- Welcome! Squeak is a modern, open source, highly portable, fast and full-featured implementation of the powerful Smalltalk programming language and environment. In other words, it's pretty nice! :) Smalltalk is the original object oriented language which still sets the bar for object oriented dynamically typed interactive languages and environments. You may be familiar with other open source languages like Ruby or Python, but Squeak takes these concepts much, much further offering a true uniform fully reflective environment - real live objects. "The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution hasn't started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into bad defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of incomplete ideas." - Alan Kay The diverse and very active community around Squeak includes teachers, students, business application developers, researchers, music performers, interactive media artists, web developers and many others. We use Squeak for a wide variety of computing tasks, ranging from child education to innovative research in computer science or creation of advanced dynamic web sites using the highly acclaimed continuation based Seaside framework. The Squeak kernel sports: * A largely Smalltalk-80 and ANSI Smalltalk X3J20 compatible language and system libraries * A virtual machine written in Squeak itself, making it easy to debug, analyze, and change ensuring the same behavior on the different supported platforms * A bit identical compact 32-bit direct pointer object memory with very little overhead per object * A simple yet efficient incremental hybrid generation scavenging mark and sweep garbage collector supporting efficient bulk-mutation of objects * A plugin system for the virtual machine with optional plugins for most parts outside the core like networking, file I/O, sound and graphics * Bit-identical execution including graphics on all major computing platforms including all major versions of Windows, MacOS and Unix/Linux, OS/2 Warp and RiscOS. And if your platform wasn't included in that list, Squeak is easy to port. :) On top of this Squeak has class libraries and virtual machine plugins for very advanced multimedia including anti-aliased 2D and accelerated 3D graphics, real-time sound and music synthesis, MPEG2 video and much more. In addition, it has one of the most advanced fully reflective development environments ever created with over 500 addon packages available for single click download and installation. The entire Squeak system is open source software, distributed freely with a liberal license. ---------------- Also, I proposed earlier that we put the "Main Squeak Portals" in a "boxlet" on the right below the download boxlet - that would also make the page shorter. And finally, I took upon myself the "About" and "Features" page - so if we improve those pages then we can use that to take some weight off of the front page. But currently I think the need some work too. Please give feedback on the changes above. > Michael. regards, Göran PS. The Project page would be nice to publish - then I can link to it in the "Main Squeak Portals" section like I wanted to. Sidenote: www.alistapart.com is a really nice place to start about superb web design IMHO.

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