Any response? My situation is rather fluid right now (in terms of how much time I have available) but I think this is a topic worth discussion and planning. The sooner we start, and all that jazz...

Ken

On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 13:18 -0600, Ken Causey wrote:

Thanks for the info Craig.

I'm not aware of any other bills.

Regarding moving the server for billing/business reasons, frankly it's somewhat of a PITA ;). I don't have a lot of time right now to be setting up a new server.

That said one of my thoughts since the problems in October was that we should consider distributing our services across multiple servers, probably VPSes. By doing that when a problem occurs it should only affect some services and not all of them.

But this is something I could only work on in spurts and so I can't see anything happening very very soon.

Isn't this billing arrangement just temporary until the situation with SFLC is finally sorted out?

Ken

On Wed, 2009-01-21 at 11:37 -0800, Craig Latta wrote:

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Hi--

  I'd like to clarify the Squeak project's financial situation. I 

recently reimbursed Squeak e.V. for past hosting bills, via Rita Freudenberg, their treasurer. Rita advises that doing business with Hetzner, the current provider, is too difficult to conduct from overseas (or even in a language other than German). She recommends that we switch providers.

  I'd like to know what the box team thinks of this, and also get a 

summary of all ongoing bills we pay. Finally, I still have money left over from the ESUG's allocation to us, from when we were pursuing independent incorporation. I'd like to transfer that to whomever will be paying our bills in the future, assuming it won't be me.

  thanks,

-C

OK, I'm certainly glad we have a cushion and time to think.

What I'm really interested in now is opinions on my idea to distribute things among virtual private servers among say 2-3 companies, probably on multiple continents (US and Europe probably).

What sort of budget on monthly server costs does everyone think is reasonable?

Would it be better to buy hardware and find people willing to host it for us at little or minimal cost? (higher upfront costs with lower recurring costs) Jecel has contacted Merik Voswinkel of Morphle about this and I understand Merik has some interest although I know little detail.

Ken

On Mon, 2009-02-02 at 11:37 -0800, Craig Latta wrote:

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Any response? My situation is rather fluid right now (in terms of how much time I have available) but I think this is a topic worth discussion and planning. The sooner we start, and all that jazz...

  Yes, sorry, busy busy. :)

  It turns out that Marcus Denker has volunteered to deal with 

Hetzner for the next year, and pass the bills on to us (see below). So this buys us some time (always a dangerous thing ;) to discuss what we "really" want to do in the long term.

  Personally, I'd still prefer to get stuff moved to an 

English-speaking company, where we can respond faster to problems. I'd like to start by mirroring the Squeak site at one of my idle domains on 1and1.com's machines. I'll bug Janko for help, I'm sure.

  thanks again,

-C

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Squeak.org server Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:15:47 +0100 From: Rita Freudenberg rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de To: craig@netjam.org

Hi Craig,

we just had a discussion about the future of the squeak.org-server, based on your mail conversation with Ken. Marcus Denker finally agreed to take on the responsibility further on for the communication with Hetzner, at least for the next 12 months. And we, Squeak Germany, will bill you for the server costs, but surely not every month, but once or twice a year. Works that ok for you?

Rita

[I answered yes and thanks]

-- Craig Latta www.netjam.org