Hi guys. Unix and Windows confs have -O2. However, in Mac, the Carbon ones have -O3 y the cocoa ones -Os. As far as I know -Os is for size, so we really don't care about that (unless we are in a mobile device). So, is there a reason why Unix and Windows use -O2 and Mac -O3 ? should we chage this? which should we use?
Thanks in advance,
Sorry, I forgot to say..and for the "debug" release, Unix and Windows use -O1 instead of -O1 which is the one used by Mac confs...is this correct?
Is it safe to debug using -O1 instead of -O0?
thanks
Mariano
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. Unix and Windows confs have -O2. However, in Mac, the Carbon ones have -O3 y the cocoa ones -Os. As far as I know -Os is for size, so we really don't care about that (unless we are in a mobile device). So, is there a reason why Unix and Windows use -O2 and Mac -O3 ? should we chage this? which should we use?
Thanks in advance,
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to say..and for the "debug" release, Unix and Windows use -O1 instead of -O1 which is the one used by Mac confs...is this correct?
Is it safe to debug using -O1 instead of -O0?
No. If you want to be able to debug everything reliably then you need to use -O0.
thanks
Mariano
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. Unix and Windows confs have -O2. However, in Mac, the Carbon ones have -O3 y the cocoa ones -Os. As far as I know -Os is for size, so we really don't care about that (unless we are in a mobile device). So, is there a reason why Unix and Windows use -O2 and Mac -O3 ? should we chage this? which should we use?
Thanks in advance,
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, I forgot to say..and for the "debug" release, Unix and Windows use -O1 instead of -O1 which is the one used by Mac confs...is this correct?
Is it safe to debug using -O1 instead of -O0?
No. If you want to be able to debug everything reliably then you need to use -O0.
Yes, exactly. That's why I asked. Some debug confs in CMakeVMMaker have -O1 ... so I will change them to -O0. Thanks Eliot
thanks
Mariano
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. Unix and Windows confs have -O2. However, in Mac, the Carbon ones have -O3 y the cocoa ones -Os. As far as I know -Os is for size, so we really don't care about that (unless we are in a mobile device). So, is there a reason why Unix and Windows use -O2 and Mac -O3 ? should we chage this? which should we use?
Thanks in advance,
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. Unix and Windows confs have -O2. However, in Mac, the Carbon ones have -O3 y the cocoa ones -Os. As far as I know -Os is for size, so we really don't care about that (unless we are in a mobile device). So, is there a reason why Unix and Windows use -O2 and Mac -O3 ? should we chage this? which should we use?
Use what works based on testing and field experience. I expect everything is there for a reason. IIABDFI (if it ain't broke don't fix it). If you can produce a comprehensive stress test then you can experiment with different optimization levels. If you can't you're on thin ice changing them.
Further, at least in Cog the speed of the VM (as opposed to plugins) is much less dependent on the level of compiler optimization used since that has no effect on the code the Cogit generates. BTW, often -Os gets good speed since compact code can often be fast code, at least in systems without huge inner loops where there's little opportunity for loop-unrolling and inlining to make much difference. Bloated code can have poor cache performance. On current processors, hugely fast relative to memory speed, unless you're talking about media streaming algorithms inlining and loop unrolling is a dubious optimization to apply. hence I would stick with -Os or -O2 for the core VM and choose more aggressive settings for selected plugins.
hope this makes sense Eliot
Thanks in advance,
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.miranda@gmail.comwrote:
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:13 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys. Unix and Windows confs have -O2. However, in Mac, the Carbon ones have -O3 y the cocoa ones -Os. As far as I know -Os is for size, so we really don't care about that (unless we are in a mobile device). So, is there a reason why Unix and Windows use -O2 and Mac -O3 ? should we chage this? which should we use?
Use what works based on testing and field experience. I expect everything is there for a reason. IIABDFI (if it ain't broke don't fix it). If you can produce a comprehensive stress test then you can experiment with different optimization levels. If you can't you're on thin ice changing them.
Further, at least in Cog the speed of the VM (as opposed to plugins) is much less dependent on the level of compiler optimization used since that has no effect on the code the Cogit generates. BTW, often -Os gets good speed since compact code can often be fast code, at least in systems without huge inner loops where there's little opportunity for loop-unrolling and inlining to make much difference. Bloated code can have poor cache performance. On current processors, hugely fast relative to memory speed, unless you're talking about media streaming algorithms inlining and loop unrolling is a dubious optimization to apply. hence I would stick with -Os or -O2 for the core VM and choose more aggressive settings for selected plugins.
Thanks Eliot for the explanations. In fact I don't have any kind of test not experiment to check whether we should use -O2, -Os, etc. I just asked because I saw different values for different OS and I was just curious. So...since my knowledge is quite limited, I will let everything as it is.
Thanks again
Mariano
hope this makes sense Eliot
Thanks in advance,
-- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com
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