Webteam March 2008

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Just a hello for start
by Janko Mivšek 18 Mar '08

18 Mar '08

Hello web teamers! I thought that this mailing list would be preferable to debate about my recent proposal from squeak-dev mailing list. I'd really like to hear your opinion about proposal and also critics, fears, suggestions, everything. Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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Re: [Webteam] Re: My proposed plan (was Just a hello for start)
by karl 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Brad Fuller wrote: > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:00 AM, karl <karl.ramberg(a)comhem.se> wrote: > >> Janko Mivšek wrote: >> > karl wrote: >> >> Janko Mivšek wrote: >> > > >> > 3. Recheck all content to see if it is up to date. >> >> Most stuff is kind of stale. >> > > About a year or more ago, I proposed that we used the front page, or a > section of the front page, to show current news items. I suggested > that we do it programmatically to refresh news often since we can't > spend our days placing new content as it becomes available. The goal > is to keep it fresh so that people will have a reason to come back to > the site and see what's new. That was not accepted 100% by the group, > but we were able to place the News on the right side of the page, at > least. > Yes, I like the news section on the front page, and I think it could be more dominant. Matthew Fulmer did a nice job updating the documentation page. Here is a list of pages that need TLC: - the front page could be updated - download page could be organized and split up - the whole Feature section is old - the community pages are a bit verbose and old, teams are defunct mostly - installation page is missing mac and linux stuff. - screenshots are old - projects page is stale Karl

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Investigating the effort it will take to get to Pier
by Danie Roux 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Dear Webteam, Has anyone here investigated/estimated the effort it would take to move to Pier? I would like to do that investigation and put together some sort of action plan. If I read the situation correctly, the biggest push for a technology upgrade is twofold: - Persistence right now is not ideal. - We need an implementation of a CAPTCHA to stop spammers from spamming via "Contact Us". What did I miss? Some people suggested the look and feel should also be considered during such an upgrade, but I don't think that is a major driver. If the Pier upgrade can be done successfully and smoothly, I would want to do an integration to http://recaptcha.net/learnmore.html to stop the spammers. Next steps then: - Has anyone looked at a Pier upgrade? - Shall I just grab the current image, start playing with it test the viability of an upgrade? -- Danie Roux *shuffle* Adore Unix - http://danieroux.com

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Demo of squeak.org on Aida/Scribo ready
by Janko Mivšek 17 Mar '08

17 Mar '08

Dear Squeakers, As promised I prepared a demo of current Squeak website migrated to Aida/Scribo CMS. I migrated both design and first level of content to show, how flexible is Scribo in dealing with both different design and things like Url format in case of SmallWiki. You can see demo here: http://squeaksite.aidaweb.si:9000 Demo is actually pretty complete, what is still missing is a dynamic tree menu on the left (currently is static) and some other minor things. In any case with this demo I convinced even myself that moving Squeak website is definitively possible and it will open further improvements on content, spreading authoring to more people, adding more dynamic content, etc etc. I hope that you are now a bit more convinced that two days ago...:) Best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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Investigating the effort it will take to get to Pier
by Danie Roux 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

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Re: I want to investigate a Pier upgrade
by Ken Causey 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

You need to be talking to the webteam, not me. Like any other team they have a mailing list and I recommend that you join it and start a discussion there. http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/webteam Ken On Sun, 2008-03-16 at 21:41 +0200, Danie Roux wrote: > Ken, > > I am not yet ready to make a commitment, but I want to investigate how > much effort it will require to get the Squeak website to Pier. > > The idea is to do the following: > > - Fix the most glaring errors on the site as it stands right now. > - Upgrade the backend to Pier, keeping the current look or using a > Pier default it its not too bad. > - Invest in a new look and feel. > > Or, as Randal puts it: > > rule 1 - stop telling lies > rule 2 - tell better truths > rule 3 - tell it pretty > rule 4 - add new content > > I will be doing Squeak/Seaside as my day job from May onwards, so I > can justify the time expenditure :-) > > If I decide to do the Pier conversion, I will want to stay on as an > active Web Team member - not as leader. Brad or Brian is better suited > for that. > > What I need from you, if you are willing: > > - Something to start playing with locally, possibly the current image? > - Names of the people who I can ask questions of, basically the Web > Team members? >

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I'm stepping down as WebTeam Leader Mars 31
by karl 16 Mar '08

16 Mar '08

I've been Webteam leader on the Squeak website for quite a few years, and have now totally lost time to keep that work, so Mars 31 I will step down. It's been a fun and interesting experience to maintain the website, ftp and mailing list. I recommend that people interested in Squeaks web appearence join the webteam and maybe lead the site into new and exiting areas. Karl

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www.squeak.org/Download still at 3.9?
by merlyn＠stonehenge.com 13 Mar '08

13 Mar '08

I thought 3.9.1 was preferred now. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

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Re: Help wanted: Captcha for squeak.org/Smallwiki
by karl 12 Mar '08

12 Mar '08

Ken Causey wrote: > Hey! Has there been any progress on this? > > Ken > > On Mon, 2008-02-11 at 20:12 +0100, Karl wrote: > >> stephane ducasse wrote: >> >>>> SW2Captcha (magritte description for LetterWarper, a Seaside >>>> Component, the LetterWarper from Jon Hylands, and a command to test >>>> all of this) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captcha) >>>> >>> http://www.iam.unibe.ch/pipermail/smallwiki/2004-December/001023.html >>> >>> >>> have fun >>> >>> Thanks for all the boring and tedious work you do for sqeuak. >>> >> Thanks, I'll look at this >> >> Karl >> >> Well, there is a Captcha for Smallwiki2 but not for Smallwiki which we use. The implementation must be changed quite a bit and I don't have the time to do that :-( If anybody else have the time please make this happen. Karl

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Aida on squeak.org/Projects
by Janko Mivšek 11 Mar '08

11 Mar '08

Hi Web Team, I have a suggestion, that maybe is a time to include Aida/Web on http://www.squeak.org/Projects/ too. As you know Aida runs on Squeak now and I'm slowly migrating to Squeak my production servers too. I hope soon the website aidaweb.si will run on Squeak instead VW :) If you agree, then I would propose to add to Web Application Development something like: AIDA/Web (http://www.aidaweb.si) is a web framework and application server for building complex web applications simply and elegantly, in MVC fashion, with REST-like nice looking and bookmarkable url links and integrated user and group management. And BTW: there is still an old SmallWiki mention, which is Pier now. Thanks very much and best regards Janko -- Janko Mivšek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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