Webteam January 2007

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releases/3.10
by Michael van der Gulik 17 Jan '07

17 Jan '07

The releases category on www.squeak.org needs some attention. Especially the 3.10 page - 3.10 is only really being discussed as far as I'm aware. Michael.

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Feed2js.org code (was: Re: Could we fix the web site)
by Brad Fuller 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Filip Stadnik wrote: > Hi Brad, > > Well, today the load speed is quite fast for me too. great > > Though, if I understand it correctly, the functionality is implemented > as a reference to javascript, generated by PHP script > (may-be-on-the-fly) in a foreign web site: > > <script language="JavaScript" > src="http://feed2js.org//feed2js.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fweeklysqueak.wordpress.com…" > > type="text/javascript"></script> > > When the traffic from feed2js.org slows down significantly the above > script execution delays too. This may result in an overall rendering > slowdown or postpone rendering of certain components entirely as > happened in my case yesterday. > > If there is a php interpreter on the box it may be a good idea to > install feed2js.php to the squeak.org machine to minimize the > dependence on external, perhaps not so reliable, components. > > If not, we can do the feed transformation in smalltalk. > > What do you think? My personal opinion is to use feed2js.org to feed the news. If someone in the webteam wants to migrate the code over to our own box, that's fine with me. It is freely available on their site with instructions. I looked at it and it would take some work, though. -- brad fuller www.bradfuller.com -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124

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Main site update completed
by Brad Fuller 16 Jan '07

16 Jan '07

Still need someone to review the About page and determine if the any of the contents from the Welcome section on the old front page could be used. For archive purposes, I will send a message with the full text of the Welcome section next. -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124

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Re: [Webteam] Need Comments and Final Approval
by Larry Trutter 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

>From: Brad Fuller <brad(a)sonaural.com> >To: webteam(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >Subject: Re: [Webteam] Need Comments and Final Approval >Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 09:39:37 -0800 > >Larry Trutter wrote: >>>From: Brad Fuller <brad(a)sonaural.com> >>>To: webteam(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >>>Subject: Re: [Webteam] Need Comments and Final Approval >>>Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:28:16 -0800 >>> >>>Brad Fuller wrote: >>>>Please check out the test site. I've added items that people commented >>>>about. I've also reformatted a bit. >>>All, >>> >>>If not, I say we move it over to the main site and fix the other stuff >>>later. >>> >>>Check it out one more time. All in favor or not? If we get a majority, >>>then I'll work on the main site and get it's front page and the look >>>running like the test site. >> >>I think it looked great. Now it becomes harder to look at the old >>www.squeak.org page. :-) >> >>I'm glad that "powered by smallwiki" logo is replaced by quieter "powered >>by squeak" logo so it won't distract the reader and I also think that blue >>border outline also helps! >> >>So, well done! If my vote counts at all, I'm in favor. > >Of course it does. Well.. that's a majority here. > >We do need to do something else, if someone wants to take it on. The >"About" text that I removed probably needs to be integrated into the About >page. I have the text from the front page, so if someone wants to take it >on let me know. I would like to take on this task, if no one volunteered for this yet. -Larry Trutter _________________________________________________________________ Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com/?icid=T002MSN03A07001

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Re: [Webteam] Main site update completed
by Brad Fuller 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

Jason Rogers wrote: > On 1/15/07, Brad Fuller <brad(a)sonaural.com> wrote: >> Brad Fuller wrote: >> > Still need someone to review the About page and determine if the any of >> > the contents from the Welcome section on the old front page could be >> used. >> >> All boxes on the left and the right now float. I think it makes it >> better when text is enlarged -- but it doesn't make it perfect since the >> boxes are of finite size. > > Setting 'overflow: auto' on the CSS for these boxes should take care of > it. No? I don't want the boxes to have scrollbars. Isn't that what happens when the text doesn't fit? -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124

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Welcome section of Front Page prior to 14Jan2007
by Brad Fuller 15 Jan '07

15 Jan '07

<h1>Welcome!</h1> When Smalltalk *was created>http://www.smalltalk.org/smalltalk/TheEarlyHistoryOfSmalltalk_Abstract.html* more than 35 years ago it <b>defined the term object orientation</b> and is the first language in which <b>everything is built from objects</b>. Smalltalk is deeply inspired by ideas from especially *Simula>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simula*, *Sketchpad>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sketchpad* and *Lisp>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_programming_language* and even today Smalltalk sets the bar for object oriented dynamically strongly typed interactive languages and environments. You may be familiar with other open source languages like *Ruby>http://www.ruby-lang.org* or *Python>http://www.python.org*, but Squeak takes these concepts much, much further offering a true uniform fully reflective environment - real live objects. <blockquote><i> "The real romance is out ahead and yet to come. The computer revolution hasn't started yet. Don't be misled by the enormous flow of money into bad defacto standards for unsophisticated buyers using poor adaptations of incomplete ideas." - Alan Kay</i></blockquote> Our diverse and very active community includes teachers, students, business application developers, researchers, music performers, interactive media artists, web developers and many others. We use Squeak for <b>a wide variety of computing tasks</b>, ranging from *child education>/Features/Education* to innovative *research>/Features/Research* in computer science, or creation of advanced dynamic web sites using the highly acclaimed continuation based *Seaside>http://www.seaside.st* framework. The Squeak kernel sports: - A largely Smalltalk-80 and ANSI Smalltalk X3J20 compatible *language>Smalltalk* and base libraries - A fast *virtual machine>/Features/The Squeak VM* written in a subset of Squeak - A bit identical compact 32-bit direct pointer object memory - An efficient incremental hybrid generation scavenging mark and sweep garbage collector supporting bulk-mutation of objects - A virtual machine plugin system with plugins for most parts outside the core like networking, file I/O, sound and graphics - Bit-identical execution including graphics on all major computing platforms including most versions of Windows, MacOS and Unix/Linux, OS/2 Warp and RiscOS. And if your platform wasn't included in that list, Squeak is easy to port. On top of this there are class libraries and virtual machine plugins for *very advanced multimedia>/Features/ MultiMedia* including anti-aliased 2D and accelerated 3D graphics, real-time sound and music synthesis, MPEG2 video and much more. In addition, Squeak has one of the *most advanced>/Features/Development* fully reflective development environments ever created with over *600 addon packages>http://map.squeak.org* available for single click download and installation. The entire Squeak system is open source software, distributed freely with a *liberal license>SqueakLicense*.

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Need Comments and Final Approval
by Brad Fuller 14 Jan '07

14 Jan '07

Please check out the test site. I've added items that people commented about. I've also reformatted a bit. The front page text has changed, but no other text has changed. The text that is missing is the "About" text on the front page and the links have been put over to the right. We can integrate the "About" text into the "About" page at any time. What do you think? -- brad fuller http://www.Sonaural.com/ +1 (408) 799-6124

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Re: [Webteam] Need Comments and Final Approval
by Ken G. Brown 14 Jan '07

14 Jan '07

Here's a mockup of header-image-matching darker blue left pane and headers in middle pane, attached for your comparison. Opinions? Ken >Ken G. Brown wrote: >>At 3:07 PM -0800 1/13/07, Brad Fuller wrote: >>>Ken G. Brown wrote: >>>>I think the dark blue of the upper left pane and middle pane headers might possibly look just a bit better >>>>if exactly the same dark blue as the header image. >>>Which blue? It's a gradient. >>>But actually, I took several colors from header, tried them out and settled on the one that is there now. >> >>I think the darkest part of the header image. The darkest blue to me seems to be the predominant one that a persons eye wants to subconsciously have matching. > >That's exactly what I did first. It seemed too dark for the headers, IMHO <>

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Re: [Webteam] Need Comments and Final Approval
by Ken G. Brown 13 Jan '07

13 Jan '07

Brad Wrote: >>Ken G. Brown wrote: >>> Good work. >>> Looking at <http://wwwtest.squeak.org>... >>> >>> - There appears to be an extra blank line just below the title Take Part in the Innovation. >>> >>Hmm... I believe that's on purpose because it's too tight to the header >>at the top, otherwise. It's just different than the other similar places and looks a bit off. >> > - A day or so back the test site had matching light yellow background for the center pane with the main text. >> >>Do you mean like the bg color of the boxes? Yes, I think so. >> > I thought it was kind of effective. I also like the green coloring of the Downloads pane as in <http://www.squeak.org> now. Perhaps the background colors could be different for each type of pane? >>> >> >>Karl likes the old colors. Do you like ALL the old colors? Not really all. I like the new at http://wwwtest.squeak.org better except maybe light yellow background rather than the purple for the main center pane. I could be talked into a bit less harsh version of the purple tho. I like the green downloads pane background. And a bit toned version of the links pane background at http://www.squeak.org might be ok. The one now is a bit harsh or loud as compared to the green downloads background. Others at wwwtest ok. >> > - I like the Weekly Squeak location for news. I'm wondering if 'Weekly Squeak' is explanation enough or does it need the word 'News' there somehow? >>> >> >>All that text is from an automatic feed. >> >>> - What does the small 'View' link at the upper right mean? Is it necessary? >>> >> >>This is a wiki. You should see: View | Changes | Search. If one logs >>in, they have more options at that location (like, edit, history). Maybe the display of the wiki specific links somehow need to be limited or localized to when you are interested in wiki editing, like maybe when signed in then? Most general public may not need them. >> > - I like the header/logo/image across the top. Good to keep the header small vertically to avoid using up too much screen real estate since it is always displayed. >>> >>> - I do not think the small 'Squeak' link at upper left under the logo is necessary since the one below it in the pane appears to be the same. >>> >> >>It's a feature of Smallwiki. It shows the user the complete path of >>where they are. Oh, ok, no biggie then. >> > - Perhaps Login should be there with View|Changes|Search? >>> >>> - Could the View|Changes|Search|Login links have a short explanation when you click on them? ie Login to what? Why would you want to? How do you register to Login? >>> >> >>I guess that could be in another page - a description of how to use the >>wiki. Want to write it? Well, I was thinking that just a simple short illuminating line at the top when you get to each link for those not in the know. eg This site is based on a Smallwiki (with link to Smallwiki here), this page is wiki editing related. Or some such thing. Oh, on the home page, I think it's good to leave the powered by Smalltalk and powered by Squeak logos at the bottom. If someone doesn't know what Smallwiki is, it helps put Smalltalk and Squeak out there a bit more. Ken G. Brown >><snip> >> >>> Overall it looks like steady improvement. Thx for your efforts. >>> >> > Ken G. Brown <snip> >> >>-- >>brad fuller >> http://www.Sonaural.com/ >> +1 (408) 799-6124

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Re: Main page colors
by Ken G. Brown 13 Jan '07

13 Jan '07

The lighter yellow background for the main center page you have now at <http://wwwtest.squeak.org> is nice. Better that, than exactly the same as the other panes or white. In looking further at the purple, center pane background at <http://www.squeak.org>, the links color is a bit too close to the background color to be nicely visible, but a bit lighter purple version might be quite nice too. Ken G. Brown

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