On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:46 AM, Brad Fuller wrote:
Serge Stinckwich wrote:
There is a report of Guido Van Rossum about an Alan Kay talk in his web log here : http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp? thread=167318
this is sad to read:
Alan believes that Python has a much larger mindshare than Smalltalk or Squeak, and that because of this a similar environment in Python will have a greater chance of succeeding than the current Squeak one. Also, the $100 laptop already has Python, and Alan is of course hoping that a Squeak-like environment will be part of it, so this appears expedient. (At the Shuttleworth summit in April http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=156162 I believe Alan also suggested that Squeak is suffering from its extremely simple graphics model; apparently it cannot benefit from graphics accelerator cards because of its platform-independent architecture. Python on the other hand already has bindings to OpenGL and DirectX, for example.)
-- brad sonaural
Hi folks,
let's be proud that Smalltalk was indispensable to come up with Etoys and let us accept the challenge.
I googled for python IDEs today and found http://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments and there the most up to date IDE shootout of http://spyced.blogspot.com/2005/09/review-of-6-python-ides.html and http://spyced.blogspot.com/2006/02/pycon-python-ide-review.html
I have to say that I was not impressed.
The IDEs were either not free: Wing, Komodo and in the future PyDev based on Qt (Eric4) had no liberal license (Gnu! ): SPE couldn't eat their own dog food as they were based on Java: PyDev or didn't have convincing screenshots: DrPython
Alan, which python IDE would you suggest us to widen our perspectives for ourselves, the job market and for helping to make the world a better place - if it is not Squeak?
Cheers,
Markus
p.s. another blog about Alan's talk can be found on http://vanrees.org/weblog/archive/2006/07/03/europython-keynote-alan- kay-children-first
p.p.s. inspired by Paul Bissex - a guy who once wrote a small article about squeak for Wired - challenge on: http://e-scribe.com/news/193 I wrote an Etoys version of this "reverse"-game. It can be found on http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp?http://www.emergent.de/pub/ smalltalk/squeak/projects/reverse.pr
(I hope you all have the squeakland plugin installed... ;-) )
It has only a few lines more than the smalltalk (I included a smalltalk version), python, ruby,... version but comes with a much more sophisticated user interface. So I do think that Etoys are the way to go... no matter what the language is underneath - be it smalltalk/python/ruby/etc...