Hi
Apparently some high-level managers at cincom are questioning about the interest of having the non-commercial version of VisualWorks. Apparently the idea of a time-bombed version is circulating. I think that we can help VWNC if we would simply fill this form
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/scripts/SurveyMain.ssp
I filled it and stated that having a trial version limited in time would be an step backward and that eventually I would migrate to other smalltalks Smalltalk/X and Squeak are great and Smalltalk/X deserves more attention.
I really think that one of the aspect of the survival of VisualWorks is linked to the existence of the NC version. I do not think that ezboard would exist today if they could not have build a working prototype. I know friends developping in VW in the worse time of Objectshare that were desesperate and I remember the idea of buying the stock option of Objectshare.
The VisualWorks engineering team is working in the right direction and a strong VisualWorks is important for the ***entire*** Smalltalk community, so do not think that you are not concerned because you use Squeak or another Smalltalk! You are, we need a strong VisualWorks full of success stories.
Stef
Prof. Dr. Stephane DUCASSE [ | ] http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
Free and Open Source Smalltalks: http://www.squeak.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/smalltalk.html, http://www.exept.de/ Free books for Universities at http://www.esug.org/sponsoring/promotionProgram.html Online Free Books at http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/WebPages/FreeBooks.html
Hi Stef
I found cincom's position about licenses unfriendly for developpers, Dolphin smalltalk's position is much simple and clear for developpers IMHO. What is the status of Smalltalk/X ? Is there a mailing list or newsgroup ? "stéphane ducasse" ducasse@iam.unibe.ch a écrit dans le message de news: 0C0A30F5-8F78-11D8-95DF-000A9573EAE2@iam.unibe.ch... Hi
Apparently some high-level managers at cincom are questioning about the interest of having the non-commercial version of VisualWorks. Apparently the idea of a time-bombed version is circulating. I think that we can help VWNC if we would simply fill this form
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/scripts/SurveyMain.ssp
I filled it and stated that having a trial version limited in time would be an step backward and that eventually I would migrate to other smalltalks Smalltalk/X and Squeak are great and Smalltalk/X deserves more attention.
I really think that one of the aspect of the survival of VisualWorks is linked to the existence of the NC version. I do not think that ezboard would exist today if they could not have build a working prototype. I know friends developping in VW in the worse time of Objectshare that were desesperate and I remember the idea of buying the stock option of Objectshare.
The VisualWorks engineering team is working in the right direction and a strong VisualWorks is important for the ***entire*** Smalltalk community, so do not think that you are not concerned because you use Squeak or another Smalltalk! You are, we need a strong VisualWorks full of success stories.
Stef
Prof. Dr. Stephane DUCASSE [ | ] http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
Free and Open Source Smalltalks: http://www.squeak.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/smalltalk.html, http://www.exept.de/ Free books for Universities at http://www.esug.org/sponsoring/promotionProgram.html Online Free Books at http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/WebPages/FreeBooks.html
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Hi Alain
Basically smalltalk/x is free but you do not get support. This is not open-source because I imagine that claus was a bit afraid that he could not sell software, but I guess that this is just because he is not aware of alternative to GPL.
Smalltalk/X is compatible with VW, it runs well and fast. some stuffs such as the concurrency model are better than VW. In fact claus had a threaded UI model long time ago.
For the mailing-list I do not know. It seems that there was a wiki somewhere. Have you looked at www.exept.de?
Stef
On 18 avr. 04, at 22:09, ALR wrote:
Hi Stef I found cincom's position about licenses unfriendly for developpers, Dolphin smalltalk's position is much simple and clear for developpers IMHO. What is the status of Smalltalk/X ? Is there a mailing list or newsgroup ? "stéphane ducasse" ducasse-2EmivuzZTYAXXHkOk0aIfQ@public.gmane.org a écrit dans le message de news: 0C0A30F5-8F78-11D8-95DF-000A9573EAE2@iam.unibe.ch... Hi
Apparently some high-level managers at cincom are questioning about the interest of having the non-commercial version of VisualWorks. Apparently the idea of a time-bombed version is circulating. I think that we can help VWNC if we would simply fill this form
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/scripts/SurveyMain.ssp
I filled it and stated that having a trial version limited in time would be an step backward and that eventually I would migrate to other smalltalks Smalltalk/X and Squeak are great and Smalltalk/X deserves more attention.
I really think that one of the aspect of the survival of VisualWorks is linked to the existence of the NC version. I do not think that ezboard would exist today if they could not have build a working prototype. I know friends developping in VW in the worse time of Objectshare that were desesperate and I remember the idea of buying the stock option of Objectshare.
The VisualWorks engineering team is working in the right direction and a strong VisualWorks is important for the ***entire*** Smalltalk community, so do not think that you are not concerned because you use Squeak or another Smalltalk! You are, we need a strong VisualWorks full of success stories.
Stef
Prof. Dr. Stephane DUCASSE [ | ] http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/ "if you knew today was your last day on earth, what would you do different? ... especially if, by doing something different, today might not be your last day on earth" Calvin&Hobbes
Free and Open Source Smalltalks: http://www.squeak.org, http://www.gnu.org/software/smalltalk/smalltalk.html, http://www.exept.de/ Free books for Universities at http://www.esug.org/sponsoring/promotionProgram.html Online Free Books at http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/WebPages/FreeBooks.html
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