Hello Diego,
We (squeak-fr@) have an updated French.po at http://www.ofset.org/~hilaire/French.po I know some of the msgid are wrong. These msgid were extracted by a third party and my knowledge of Squeak does not allow me to figure out yet what's wong in the extraction process.
However, I try to import this French.po in the Squeak 3.7. However the gettext import does not work with my 3.7 image. Is it a known problem or only a problem of myself.
In the meantime, I found that importing the French.po in Small-land 3.5, then exporting as a French.translation was working. Indeed, the import of French.translation is working with Squeak image 3.7, ouf!
However I noted that the original French.po and French.translation do have different weigth. The first one weigth 790kB and the second 230kB. Oops, quite different, not sure what is lost in the meantime.
Hilaire
Le ven 17/09/2004 à 20:26, Diego Gomez Deck a écrit :
Hi Hilaire,
Sorry for the long time to answer, I was travelling for a couple of days.
Diego,
We are working in the French translation of Squeak. We have based our translation on your Small-Land-215.image. I don't know which version of Squeak it is in fact. Is it 3.6 or a pre3.8 or a 3.7?
It's based on 3.5.
Our translation work depends indeed in your work on LanguageEditor and the Spanish image. Thanks for your work.
You're welcome!
So far I have been able to re-use our translation into this specific version.
Please send me the current version of French translation to include in Small-Land image. Don't worry if it's not the definitive one.
What do we have to do to inject it in mainstream version, let's say version 3.6?
Good question, but I'm not the guy to answer. The "oficial" Squeak is in hand of the "guides" and they have to answer about it. You have to send you question to squeak-dev mailing list.
I was unable to install the LanguageEditor into 3.6. I was able to install it into 3.7 but the gettext tools is not working there, so I have used the load/save facilities, it was successfull.
In about two weeks I have to get a ready French image of Squeak to be used by junior hight-school students in an open contest. Of course I will be happy to use some of your Image with nice layout and usability, but it may be too late for me at this time.
You can use Small-Land image (the current and stable one) as the base for your work. It's quiet stable and thousands of computers in Extremadura are using it.
We also have a plugin, and I'm working on the migration to 3.8.
So I suggest to reuse my work and build on top of it.
Oh, a last question, when I try your last smallland image, I was able to load some French tutorial, however the accent characteres were broken, is there some changment in the characters encoding? (Switching to utf-8?)
Which image? 3.8? It's a known bug and I think Yoshiki/Michael are working on it.
Thanks for any help and advices,
Regards,
Hilaire Fernandes
PS: Your new Squeak image has a look'n fell a bit like Gnome Desktop. I am developing the GTK+ 'DrGeo' software for dynamic geometry. Do you know this software?
Not, I didn't... I'll find the time to play with it.
Cheers,
-- Diego
Bon les choses sont pires que je pensais.
En fait en important dans le Language Editor et les re-exportant depuis le language editor nombre de vos traductions sont perdues. C'est cool hein !
Plus d'informations sur le wiki. http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr/smalltalkfr/pmwiki.php/Main/TraductionSqueak
Hilaire
Le lun 25/10/2004 à 16:46, Hilaire Fernandes a écrit :
Hello Diego,
We (squeak-fr@) have an updated French.po at http://www.ofset.org/~hilaire/French.po I know some of the msgid are wrong. These msgid were extracted by a third party and my knowledge of Squeak does not allow me to figure out yet what's wong in the extraction process.
However, I try to import this French.po in the Squeak 3.7. However the gettext import does not work with my 3.7 image. Is it a known problem or only a problem of myself.
In the meantime, I found that importing the French.po in Small-land 3.5, then exporting as a French.translation was working. Indeed, the import of French.translation is working with Squeak image 3.7, ouf!
However I noted that the original French.po and French.translation do have different weigth. The first one weigth 790kB and the second 230kB. Oops, quite different, not sure what is lost in the meantime.
Hilaire
Le ven 17/09/2004 à 20:26, Diego Gomez Deck a écrit :
Hi Hilaire,
Sorry for the long time to answer, I was travelling for a couple of days.
Diego,
We are working in the French translation of Squeak. We have based our translation on your Small-Land-215.image. I don't know which version of Squeak it is in fact. Is it 3.6 or a pre3.8 or a 3.7?
It's based on 3.5.
Our translation work depends indeed in your work on LanguageEditor and the Spanish image. Thanks for your work.
You're welcome!
So far I have been able to re-use our translation into this specific version.
Please send me the current version of French translation to include in Small-Land image. Don't worry if it's not the definitive one.
What do we have to do to inject it in mainstream version, let's say version 3.6?
Good question, but I'm not the guy to answer. The "oficial" Squeak is in hand of the "guides" and they have to answer about it. You have to send you question to squeak-dev mailing list.
I was unable to install the LanguageEditor into 3.6. I was able to install it into 3.7 but the gettext tools is not working there, so I have used the load/save facilities, it was successfull.
In about two weeks I have to get a ready French image of Squeak to be used by junior hight-school students in an open contest. Of course I will be happy to use some of your Image with nice layout and usability, but it may be too late for me at this time.
You can use Small-Land image (the current and stable one) as the base for your work. It's quiet stable and thousands of computers in Extremadura are using it.
We also have a plugin, and I'm working on the migration to 3.8.
So I suggest to reuse my work and build on top of it.
Oh, a last question, when I try your last smallland image, I was able to load some French tutorial, however the accent characteres were broken, is there some changment in the characters encoding? (Switching to utf-8?)
Which image? 3.8? It's a known bug and I think Yoshiki/Michael are working on it.
Thanks for any help and advices,
Regards,
Hilaire Fernandes
PS: Your new Squeak image has a look'n fell a bit like Gnome Desktop. I am developing the GTK+ 'DrGeo' software for dynamic geometry. Do you know this software?
Not, I didn't... I'll find the time to play with it.
Cheers,
-- Diego
Sur les Mac les modifications de style de texte sont assez simples: Text Emphasis Cmd-1 10 point font Cmd-2 12 point font Cmd-3 18 point font Cmd-4 24 point font Cmd-5 36 point font
Je ne trouve pas cela sur Squeak sur PC et aucune explication claire dans les aides sinon que : (not available on all platforms).
Comment que c'est que vous faites du gras ou de l'italique dans les textes, sur des PC ?
Merci d'avance de votre aide .
Jean-Marie Zajac
Bonjour
Voici un tableau des commandes que je connais :
alt k choix de la fonte et de la taille alt K choix de la fonte seule alt o plantage ! alt O faisait avant quelquechose
dans les combinaisons suivantes il faut bien utiliser CpasLock et non Shift (ce qui n'est pas pratique du tout alt CapsLock 1 change la taille petit dans ce cas alt CapsLock 2 change la taille plus grand ... alt CapsLock 3 change la taille plus grand ... alt CapsLock 4 change la taille plus grand ... alt CapsLock 5 change la taille plus grand ... dépend de la fonte
alt CapsLock 6 menu d'options dont couleur, fonction d'exécution et création de lien alt CapsLock 7 met en gras alt CapsLock 8 met en italic alt CapsLock 9 texte fin
Voila pour ceux que je connais
Cordialement,
Christophe Allegrini
email : squeak@birdtechnology.net www.birdtechnology.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "jean-marie.zajac" jean-marie.zajac@laposte.net To: "Squeak in french / Squeak en français" squeak-fr@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 11:29 AM Subject: [Squeak-fr] command key sur PC ?
Sur les Mac les modifications de style de texte sont assez simples: Text Emphasis Cmd-1 10 point font Cmd-2 12 point font Cmd-3 18 point font Cmd-4 24 point font Cmd-5 36 point font
Je ne trouve pas cela sur Squeak sur PC et aucune explication claire dans les aides sinon que : (not available on all platforms).
Comment que c'est que vous faites du gras ou de l'italique dans les textes, sur des PC ?
Merci d'avance de votre aide .
Jean-Marie Zajac
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Merci pour les réponses des commandes alt sur PC..
Le problème, deux réponses qui disent pas la même chose (alt -1 ou alt Caps Lock - 1) et dans tous les cas, cela ne marche pas chez moi (windowsXp, 95 ou 98 et squeak Win 3.7 ou 3.6 ), au mieux ça génère un point d'interrogation. Avec une image toute neuve et une VM toute neuve (dernière download disponible pour win95/98/xp) c'est pas mieux. Les combinaisons alt - 1 jusqu'à alt- 9 ne font rien de prévisible.
Comment faites-vous cela ?
Jean-Marie Zajac
Bonjour
Je viens de tester sur un portable et sur un poste fixe. Sur le portable les combinaisons : alt-CapsLock-x fonctionnent parfaitement aussi avec une 3.7 qu'une 3.6.
Sur le poste fixe les mêmes combinaisons fonctionnent, sauf que de temps à autre les combinaisons ne fonctionnent pas si CapsLock est vérouillé.
Ok, ça n'aide pas beaucoup, je vais regarder pour voir si on ne peut pas changer les raccourcis dans Squeak. A priori on doit pouvoir les changer, reste à savoir si c'est simple...
Cordialement,
Christophe Allegrini
email : squeak@birdtechnology.net www.birdtechnology.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "jean-marie.zajac" jean-marie.zajac@laposte.net To: "Squeak in french / Squeak en français" squeak-fr@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: [Squeak-fr] command key sur PC ?
Merci pour les réponses des commandes alt sur PC..
Le problème, deux réponses qui disent pas la même chose (alt -1 ou alt Caps Lock - 1) et dans tous les cas, cela ne marche pas chez moi (windowsXp, 95 ou 98 et squeak Win 3.7 ou 3.6 ), au mieux ça génère un point d'interrogation. Avec une image toute neuve et une VM toute neuve (dernière download disponible pour win95/98/xp) c'est pas mieux. Les combinaisons alt - 1 jusqu'à alt- 9 ne font rien de prévisible.
Comment faites-vous cela ?
Jean-Marie Zajac _______________________________________________ Squeak-fr mailing list Squeak-fr@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-fr
il y a dexu packages sur squeakMap pour changer les shortcut Keymapping donc avant de reinventer jete un oeil
On 27 oct. 04, at 15:51, Bird Technology wrote:
Bonjour
Je viens de tester sur un portable et sur un poste fixe. Sur le portable les combinaisons : alt-CapsLock-x fonctionnent parfaitement aussi avec une 3.7 qu'une 3.6.
Sur le poste fixe les mêmes combinaisons fonctionnent, sauf que de temps à autre les combinaisons ne fonctionnent pas si CapsLock est vérouillé.
Ok, ça n'aide pas beaucoup, je vais regarder pour voir si on ne peut pas changer les raccourcis dans Squeak. A priori on doit pouvoir les changer, reste à savoir si c'est simple...
Cordialement,
Christophe Allegrini
email : squeak@birdtechnology.net www.birdtechnology.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "jean-marie.zajac" jean-marie.zajac@laposte.net To: "Squeak in french / Squeak en français" squeak-fr@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 2:57 PM Subject: [Squeak-fr] command key sur PC ?
Merci pour les réponses des commandes alt sur PC..
Le problème, deux réponses qui disent pas la même chose (alt -1 ou alt Caps Lock - 1) et dans tous les cas, cela ne marche pas chez moi (windowsXp, 95 ou 98 et squeak Win 3.7 ou 3.6 ), au mieux ça génère un point d'interrogation. Avec une image toute neuve et une VM toute neuve (dernière download disponible pour win95/98/xp) c'est pas mieux. Les combinaisons alt - 1 jusqu'à alt- 9 ne font rien de prévisible.
Comment faites-vous cela ?
Jean-Marie Zajac _______________________________________________ Squeak-fr mailing list Squeak-fr@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-fr
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Encore un look Aqua Mac pour Squeak, celui que j'utilise à vrai dire. Quelqu'un pour vérifier un éventuel problème ? C'est un cs, à installer avec FileList et toutes les nouvelles fenêtres deviennent belles comme dans un Mac (normalement).
Si ça plante, ... c'est triste comme un PC sans cmd-1.
Jean-Marie Zajac
jean-marie.zajac a écrit :
Encore un look Aqua Mac pour Squeak, celui que j'utilise à vrai dire. Quelqu'un pour vérifier un éventuel problème ? C'est un cs, à installer avec FileList et toutes les nouvelles fenêtres deviennent belles comme dans un Mac (normalement).
C'est normal que :
- les titres des fenètres dépassent de la fenètre ? - que seule la barre de titre est affectée, pas le reste ?
Damien
Seule la barre titre est affectée. Pour le reste, il y a apparemment encore des problèmes de positionnement pour des tailles importantes de fonte de titre. Merci des essais. Jean-Marie Zajac
Le 28 oct. 04, à 16:28, Damien Cassou a écrit :
jean-marie.zajac a écrit :
Encore un look Aqua Mac pour Squeak, celui que j'utilise à vrai dire. C'est normal que :
- les titres des fenètres dépassent de la fenètre ?
- que seule la barre de titre est affectée, pas le reste ?
Hilaire
Cool down. can you describe exactly your problem so that diego can help us? Diego it seems that if you load translation using the language editor and save them then we lose translations.
can you help hilaire? I hope that he will not get a break nerves :)
Stef
Bon les choses sont pires que je pensais.
En fait en important dans le Language Editor et les re-exportant depuis le language editor nombre de vos traductions sont perdues. C'est cool hein !
Plus d'informations sur le wiki. http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr/smalltalkfr/pmwiki.php/Main/ TraductionSqueak
Hilaire
Le lun 25/10/2004 à 16:46, Hilaire Fernandes a écrit :
Hello Diego,
We (squeak-fr@) have an updated French.po at http://www.ofset.org/~hilaire/French.po I know some of the msgid are wrong. These msgid were extracted by a third party and my knowledge of Squeak does not allow me to figure out yet what's wong in the extraction process.
However, I try to import this French.po in the Squeak 3.7. However the gettext import does not work with my 3.7 image. Is it a known problem or only a problem of myself.
In the meantime, I found that importing the French.po in Small-land 3.5, then exporting as a French.translation was working. Indeed, the import of French.translation is working with Squeak image 3.7, ouf!
However I noted that the original French.po and French.translation do have different weigth. The first one weigth 790kB and the second 230kB. Oops, quite different, not sure what is lost in the meantime.
Hilaire
Le ven 17/09/2004 à 20:26, Diego Gomez Deck a écrit :
Hi Hilaire,
Sorry for the long time to answer, I was travelling for a couple of days.
Diego,
We are working in the French translation of Squeak. We have based our translation on your Small-Land-215.image. I don't know which version of Squeak it is in fact. Is it 3.6 or a pre3.8 or a 3.7?
It's based on 3.5.
Our translation work depends indeed in your work on LanguageEditor and the Spanish image. Thanks for your work.
You're welcome!
So far I have been able to re-use our translation into this specific version.
Please send me the current version of French translation to include in Small-Land image. Don't worry if it's not the definitive one.
What do we have to do to inject it in mainstream version, let's say version 3.6?
Good question, but I'm not the guy to answer. The "oficial" Squeak is in hand of the "guides" and they have to answer about it. You have to send you question to squeak-dev mailing list.
I was unable to install the LanguageEditor into 3.6. I was able to install it into 3.7 but the gettext tools is not working there, so I have used the load/save facilities, it was successfull.
In about two weeks I have to get a ready French image of Squeak to be used by junior hight-school students in an open contest. Of course I will be happy to use some of your Image with nice layout and usability, but it may be too late for me at this time.
You can use Small-Land image (the current and stable one) as the base for your work. It's quiet stable and thousands of computers in Extremadura are using it.
We also have a plugin, and I'm working on the migration to 3.8.
So I suggest to reuse my work and build on top of it.
Oh, a last question, when I try your last smallland image, I was able to load some French tutorial, however the accent characteres were broken, is there some changment in the characters encoding? (Switching to utf-8?)
Which image? 3.8? It's a known bug and I think Yoshiki/Michael are working on it.
Thanks for any help and advices,
Regards,
Hilaire Fernandes
PS: Your new Squeak image has a look'n fell a bit like Gnome Desktop. I am developing the GTK+ 'DrGeo' software for dynamic geometry. Do you know this software?
Not, I didn't... I'll find the time to play with it.
Cheers,
-- Diego
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stéphane ducasse a écrit :
Hilaire
Cool down. can you describe exactly your problem so that diego can help us?
It was described previously.
Diego it seems that if you load translation using the language editor and save them then we lose translations.
I think, the situation is totally worst.
Several msgid are duplicated (maybe this is not a problem of babel but of initial duplicated message in Squeak)
For example the re-exported .po file from smallland come with 'new' 600 untranslated messages plus many dropped translation. Some of these messages were previously translated and now are untranslated and eventually duplicated.
It seems to me that as long as i18n will not be considered seriously upstream (not to mention look-like-isolated-Diego-effort), localisation will be a mess.
Hilaire
Hilaire
This is strange because diego used that for his languages. I will contact him.
Stef On 31 oct. 04, at 22:00, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
stéphane ducasse a écrit :
Hilaire Cool down. can you describe exactly your problem so that diego can help us?
It was described previously.
Diego it seems that if you load translation using the language editor and save them then we lose translations.
I think, the situation is totally worst.
Several msgid are duplicated (maybe this is not a problem of babel but of initial duplicated message in Squeak)
For example the re-exported .po file from smallland come with 'new' 600 untranslated messages plus many dropped translation. Some of these messages were previously translated and now are untranslated and eventually duplicated.
It seems to me that as long as i18n will not be considered seriously upstream (not to mention look-like-isolated-Diego-effort), localisation will be a mess.
Hilaire _______________________________________________ Squeak-fr mailing list Squeak-fr@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-fr
hilaire
je peux essayer de fixer le code de diego. Pour qd est-ce que tu as besoin de la traduction? Aurais-tu un fichier pour que je teste cela? Quelle image utilises-tu 3.7?
Stef
On 31 oct. 04, at 22:00, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
Diego it seems that if you load translation using the language editor and save them then we lose translations.
I think, the situation is totally worst.
Several msgid are duplicated (maybe this is not a problem of babel but of initial duplicated message in Squeak)
For example the re-exported .po file from smallland come with 'new' 600 untranslated messages plus many dropped translation. Some of these messages were previously translated and now are untranslated and eventually duplicated.
It seems to me that as long as i18n will not be considered seriously upstream (not to mention look-like-isolated-Diego-effort), localisation will be a mess.
Hilaire
stéphane ducasse a écrit :
hilaire
je peux essayer de fixer le code de diego. Pour qd est-ce que tu as besoin de la traduction?
Je n'ai aucune dead-line, là c'est juste histoire que nous puissions faire une traduction de qualité pour des utilisateurs francophone. En l'état c'est déjà pas mal, mais pour avancer davantage il me semble qu'il y a des aspects techniques à régler dans Squeak.
Pour le concours j'ai déjà une image avec la partie qui m'intéresse traduite.
Aurais-tu un fichier pour que je teste cela?
Tout est dans les courriers précécedents et sur le wiki.
Quelle image utilises-tu 3.7?
la dernière stable
Hilaire
Stef
On 31 oct. 04, at 22:00, Hilaire Fernandes wrote:
Diego it seems that if you load translation using the language editor and save them then we lose translations.
I think, the situation is totally worst.
Several msgid are duplicated (maybe this is not a problem of babel but of initial duplicated message in Squeak)
For example the re-exported .po file from smallland come with 'new' 600 untranslated messages plus many dropped translation. Some of these messages were previously translated and now are untranslated and eventually duplicated.
It seems to me that as long as i18n will not be considered seriously upstream (not to mention look-like-isolated-Diego-effort), localisation will be a mess.
Hilaire
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Hilaire viens tu à la SmalltalkParty du 20 novembre ? Peux-être que cela serait plus facile de dicuter de ces problèmes de vive voix, plutôt que sur la liste ?
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Serge Stinckwich a écrit :
Hilaire viens tu à la SmalltalkParty du 20 novembre ? Peux-être que cela serait plus facile de dicuter de ces problèmes de vive voix, plutôt que sur la liste ?
Bien que sur Paris les 3 jours précédents, je ne pourrai pas ce samedi.
Hilaire
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